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No one on this forum is perfect, most especially me. (some are pretty close!) I do want to put some thought to your reply. Eric was blunt, but the builder needed to hear the real facts. Eric also softened his reply with his claiming "narrow mindedness". I sure do not want someone telling me I did a good job, when serious mistakes were made.
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"I am of the generation that didn't get a trophy for just showing up, I suspect a lot of the guys who jump on me for telling the truth did or perhaps they just don't like honest people."
I agree, if folks do not want honest evaluations of their work, they should not post it for all to see.
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There are two ways to interpret the question; "What do you think?"
1.) I want praise.
2.) I want an answer.
The question should almost ALWAYS be answered in a way that lets you gain clarification of which answer they want. The best way to learn things is to figure out the answer for yourself. A good teacher motivates the student to do that themselves.
If you want people to be on your side, be on their side. It's really just that simple.
1.) I want praise.
2.) I want an answer.
The question should almost ALWAYS be answered in a way that lets you gain clarification of which answer they want. The best way to learn things is to figure out the answer for yourself. A good teacher motivates the student to do that themselves.
If you want people to be on your side, be on their side. It's really just that simple.
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That is one downfall of America now. If it isn't nicey nicey, you had better not say it! Baloney I say, tell it like it is, but be respectful!
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We all know that!!
bldtrailer
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There is honest and there is trolling,
an honest reply with advise is welcome
trolling is just trying to bring some one else down to stand on thier remains.
I added to my rifles with things that have meaning to ME,(or my family) not trying to impress ANYONE here, just shareing and asking how could I have done it better. Not trying to be historically correct( none of the rifles here are truely historical correct modern steels and machines, we just pretend they are) .
The red rifle was a xmas gift Kit(from my well meaning son and I built it for a grandson who likes red, a covid lockdown project)the "deer " was copied from my rifle (so my grandson would have a part of POPTE when I'm gone) the big dipper was for my son who worked at denali after college(It means something to him)
the wolf is for the son who now lives in Co and loves wolves copied from the loading block HE likes(That I also made) the to many tacks in the wolf form the big dipper pointing at the north star(It means something to Him)
the tacks (store bought at Dixons) in the deer are due to the fact I'm learning what works and what doesn't no glue was used.
The wolf was also made BIG like a "patch box"
,thus in lay PRACTICE .
I thank
those who wanted to add and help, I got some great imput. Some great advise . Just remember not everyone has alot of building under thier belt and have to start some place.
my 1st and 2nd inlay attemps
After 6yrs US Army Military Police(m60 gunner/Fire team leader) , 26 years Lawenforcement and 7 months WTC recovery ID
I could give a RATs about your Honest feelings of my work if you want to help then help!
IF you want to troll get the hell out of the way !
we're moving on
an honest reply with advise is welcome
trolling is just trying to bring some one else down to stand on thier remains.
I added to my rifles with things that have meaning to ME,(or my family) not trying to impress ANYONE here, just shareing and asking how could I have done it better. Not trying to be historically correct( none of the rifles here are truely historical correct modern steels and machines, we just pretend they are) .
The red rifle was a xmas gift Kit(from my well meaning son and I built it for a grandson who likes red, a covid lockdown project)the "deer " was copied from my rifle (so my grandson would have a part of POPTE when I'm gone) the big dipper was for my son who worked at denali after college(It means something to him)
The wolf was also made BIG like a "patch box"
I thank
those who wanted to add and help, I got some great imput. Some great advise . Just remember not everyone has alot of building under thier belt and have to start some place. my 1st and 2nd inlay attemps
After 6yrs US Army Military Police(m60 gunner/Fire team leader) , 26 years Lawenforcement and 7 months WTC recovery ID
I could give a RATs about your Honest feelings of my work if you want to help then help!
IF you want to troll get the hell out of the way !
we're moving on
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I see Eric all the time on forums helping people out and he's a master artisan, instead of browbeating the man just be grateful the community has someone like that around.
bldtrailer
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yes , I was thanking input that helped
Kinda off topic here, what is this? Was thinking it was a rear sight but I don't see an aperture or v notch.
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Yes, I have to commend you for taking the criticism well. My comment was directed towards the Eric did a bad thing camp which at this point it's difficult to tell who that is and to which I now feel partly responsible for the confusion.
Back to the inlets!
bldtrailer
Pilgrim
In an earlier sight thread I was showing how to use a dog tag for a field expedant peep sight
so they could try before they buy or made
sort of the evolution
of my peep sight
Bldtrailer, do not be discouraged by some of the comments. We all start from a point and gather as we all progress in such endeavors. I did my first patch box inlet two years ago and it came out better than expected. This was due to some of the generosity of some on here in sharing their knowledge and pointing me to a correct approach. Of course analytical thinking and patience on my part were critical in the process. I thank them and can only get progressively better. You may at a later date want to take what you have and totally revamp it as your skills build. Rifle building? Its like a long line of like minded people standing in line with each other, the guy in front of you knowing a little more than you do and the guy behind you who knows a little less. The purpose of this forum is to get the guys in line to turn around and talk to each other. Enough said....
bldtrailer
Pilgrim
yes, I agree .
I have made knives for 30+years my son has my first and last what a diffence.
New to rifle building, muzzle loading 40+.& Dixons cust. sence the 80s ,I tried to get in the Pa class at historical sight near berks pa BUT insurance killed the class( to say nothing about covid) ,Mr G. Dixon has been helping, but I need more of a local mentor or as above I just wing it.
I have made knives for 30+years my son has my first and last what a diffence.
New to rifle building, muzzle loading 40+.& Dixons cust. sence the 80s ,I tried to get in the Pa class at historical sight near berks pa BUT insurance killed the class( to say nothing about covid) ,Mr G. Dixon has been helping, but I need more of a local mentor or as above I just wing it.
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I'm not sure how well you're set up in your shop, but for you or any other builder getting into this an important tool often overlooked are scrapers. You're going to want to have a set of card scrapers and a burnisher for shaping the stock, predominantly as a follow up to rasp work when dialing in the shape, and also a set of much smaller scrapers for fine work. You can make your own with spring steel and a torch or you can purchase a set from Richard Miller on the CLA that are the absolute cat's meow.
There usefulness are limitless but a few things that come to mind for inletting a part is to flatten out the bottom of the inlets which is important on everything but especially important when inletting a lock plate and your bolster needs to be dead nuts flat against the barrel. Those fine scrapers are also useful for delicately cleaning up the edge of an inlet when you need to remove just the tiniest bit of material to get the part to fit. Or when inletting a barrel and you're working with all those complex angles and curves (a fowler for example). You can, and often will, use the back of a chisel for scraping but there is no real substitute to owning actual dedicated scrapers.
There usefulness are limitless but a few things that come to mind for inletting a part is to flatten out the bottom of the inlets which is important on everything but especially important when inletting a lock plate and your bolster needs to be dead nuts flat against the barrel. Those fine scrapers are also useful for delicately cleaning up the edge of an inlet when you need to remove just the tiniest bit of material to get the part to fit. Or when inletting a barrel and you're working with all those complex angles and curves (a fowler for example). You can, and often will, use the back of a chisel for scraping but there is no real substitute to owning actual dedicated scrapers.
I reground and repurposed a swiss army knife for odd cuts and angles.
You can make a peep pretty easily but don't do as I did and use what ever metal you have around. I struggled with getting the bends right with 1/8" think metal, 1/16" would be just about right. This peep work exceptionally well but took me two days to make because I messed up the first one.
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