Inletting cavity errors with Miliput?

[RubbleMaker]

I don't suppose there are many adherents (pun unintended) within the 'keep it traditional' team that have had experience with using two part adhesive modelers putty as a means of bedding swamped barrels within a stock that has been put on too strict a diet of chisel work...but I am going to ask non the less :slap:

Would non 'glass' almost clay like putty's have a use when it comes to building traditional muzzleloader's. I emphasize the non composite for a reason, as clay was often used back in the day for smoking pipes, pots urns and other such daily articles. The only difference between modern putty and clay mixtures of old is the lack of bake curing. The new stuff will form hard simply by dry air contact.
http://www.milliput.com/prod.htm

Your thoughts on this matter are of course well received and appreciated.

 

[kaintuck]

any bedding mat'l used for centerfire rifles(of corse match the brown of the stock with color dye)will do a nice job, AND will stabilize the long thin wood!

 

I'm not opposed to it but only as a last resort. I would first take off a little more wood, and glue in a filler piece using stainable wood glue, like Titebond II. Then I would recut my inlet.

Bill

 

[LRB]

It would likely work, and save work. I have nothing against glass bedding as long as it does not show in the assembled gun. I assume this is an epoxy product? If it does not show, and gets done what is needed, who should care? It is nice to do traditional work using traditional methods, but in the end, if done equally neat in the visual finished product, what does it really matter? Acually, the bedded gun will be stronger, and in some cases, performance enhanced, and I seriously doubt anyone is going to ask you to take it apart for them to see the insides.

 

[jdkerstetter]

Going the bedding route I would perfer a product that was able to be colored the end color of the wood or close to it.....even if it was where it couldn't be seen.

Accraglass is proven to adhere to the wood and can be colored about any color you desire.

Enjoy, J.D.

 

[Vaino]

I would never "epoxy bed" a LR bbl but am curious as to how this could be done w/o having visible evidence. Is wood removed below the forestock topline to allow for the epoxy?

Got into a discussion at a gun store on a fixture for routing a swamped bbl channel and after awhile,still didn't understand how the fixture could be very accurate. So...one of the LRs using this fixture was brought in and much to my amazement, the bbl channel had been cut way oversize and the bbl then bedded into the colored epoxy. The top of the forestock was 1/8" deep w/ an epoxy buildup. The explanation was that these guns were just used in matches and the aesthetics weren't important.

As was said, hidden epoxy should be OK, but again am puzzled why wood would be removed to allow for the epoxy. Strength isn't really an issue because the bbl supplies excellent rigidity....Fred

 

[RubbleMaker]

Well, now its been mentioned Im considering the Accuraglass route for a 12" swamped round profile pistol barrel I have in the make (This is my first ever project and now realize why the swamped barrels were on discounted sale! :surrender. Initially the thought of putty would have more a traditional touch going for it but I forgot all about mixing up some low tech all natural and readily harvest-able "pitch black" gloop.

With that said the modeling putty I have available locally doesn't seem to keen on being exposed to heat, the website mentions 130'c as an upper limit before the sirens should go off where as Accraglass resin appears to be far less reactive, and to boot isn't troubled by humidity should ingress occur between the bedding material and the steel of the barrel.

Concerning the staining of Accraglass to mate with the wood finish, this appears to be a cart before the horse problem solving issue. Would you be at liberty to direct me further on the prospect of staining.

Many thanks.

 

[jdkerstetter]

Now, I wouldn't think of full length bedding a Longrifle/Pistol barrel....glued in wood and a reinlet would be the appropriate fix.

I would, however, be tempted to bed the breech if a loose fit was encountered but would not do so where the bedding would be visible when the gun is assembled.

As far as staining, none of these bedding compounds will take stain once set so they must be colored before application if you want it to match your wood finish. Acraglass comes with brown and black die that can be mixed in. You can also use powdered tempra paints or the various dyes like Transtint and Mixol.

Enjoy, J.D.