Interesting German knife

[gizamo]

Came across these two on the ride home tonight. They came into a gunshop together. One is much older then the other, but of the same basic design. The more modern example is marked by Gust L. Koller. At any rate, they are beautiful examples of German hunting knifes. I like the design of the pommel or lack thereof...and the way the leather feathers into the stag....

Is there a proper name for this style of knife?

Giz

 

[RickD]

I really like the knives

 

[tnguy]

i tihnk those are scagels. now im not sure that is a style name, or named for the persons own line of knives. either way they are very nice looking.

 

[Blizzard of '93]

the large one with the 'blood groove' I saw some of those for sale back in the late '70's at various places. German steel is good stuff, I like both those.

 

[J.D.]

i tihnk those are scagels. now im not sure that is a style name, or named for the persons own line of knives. either way they are very nice looking.

Scagle made very distinctive knives, so I know the top one in the bottom photo is not a Scagle. I don't think the bottom one is either, based on the blade design.

Moreover, Scagle marked his knives, and the bottom one doesn't appear to have a makers mark.

Nice knives though. And a good addition to anyone's collection.

J.D.

 

[gizamo]

W. Scagel, ~~~ I wish :grin:

But not bad blades. They are both Gustav L Koller blades...worth slightly less then Scagel :wink:

Giz

 

[Trench]

Those are great. I really like the transition from leather to horn on the handles.

 

[MSW]

interesting design. i think they look pretty cool!

 

[kansas_volunteer]

Similar knives can be regulary found on one of the big auction sites. When you find the one, search for Solingen knife sheath, using all three words together.

 

[reddogge]

We could make up a name for them....Jagenmesser (hunting knife). Sounds cool at the old rondevous.

 

[gizamo]

reddoge,

Good a name as any, I like it.

When I first got started collecting knives I found another German Blade. It was exceptional in my mind. Another stag handled gem. I was so proud that I called a good friend to brag about my new find...I described in great detail how wonderful my new pride and joy was...

He asked me if there was a makers name on the blade. Absolutely says I....

Why it is by Rostfrei...

Now this is a test of a good friend as he didn't howl with laughter...He said, Giz "Rostfrei in German is Rust Free...you have a stainless steel knife..."

Yep, that baby was a Rostfrei allrighty :grin:

Giz

 

[colmoultrie]

The Germans already call them Jagdmesseror Jagdnicker, from the practice of finishing off a deer by cutting it's throat, nicken. They come in many forms, but here's a classic:
Puma Jagdnicker

Here's the other traditonal form, this time in damascus:

Damascus Jagdnicker

They're sometimes called Trachtenmesser, because they're worn with traditional clothing, or Tracht. All-in-all, a great knife.

 

[gizamo]

colmoultrie,

Great post. Given that my two knives are Kollers' what would be the proper name to call that style?

Giz

 

[colmoultrie]

Sorry, I can't do much besser than Jagdmesser.

 

[colmoultrie]

Btw., I read that Koeller was sold to Puma in 1991.

 

[gizamo]

Thanks for the Puma information. It will be interesting to find out...

Giz

 

[romeoh]

The Germans already call them Jagdmesseror Jagdnicker, from the practice of finishing off a deer by cutting it's throat, nicken.

Yes and no.
A nicker is for finishing off. But not by cutting the throat.
I already explained it here after I gave one to Swampy as a gift: Klick me!

And the knifes on the pics may be Pumas but they don´t have the real blade-shape of nickers.
Nickers usually have a - well, more slim blade.
Here´s a catalogue page showing nickers:

However, the two knifes on the pic are really nice ones IMHO. :hatsoff:

 

[gizamo]

I could not find a connection between Puma and Koller.

Here is the other Gust L Koller that was in the pair. It is a modern blade and maker marked...

Anyone know the history of Gustov Koller?

giz

 

[colmoultrie]

Danke Romeoh!

Yes, I misspoke on nicken. I saw many of the general Puma form back in the 80's and '90's when I lived for a bit in Deutschland and Oesterreich, but I always liked the Linder style a bit better, and there's one in my dresser drawer as I write. Where did you get the catalogue page? It was hard to find pics on short notice using Google.

How far back does the tradition go? Has this style of knife been used since the mid-nineteenth century or is it earlier? I know Franz-Joseph set the fashion of the Lodenjacke, so I wonder how traditional tradition is (if that makes any sense).

 

[romeoh]

Actually I found that page with a google-search. :redface:

This should bring you to the page to have a look at he complete Linder-catalogue.
Link

Linder has a website too by the way.


:hmm: And how long the tradition goes back?
:surrender: I need to do a little research on that.
I´m not sure whether I´ll be lucky in a research on that. I bet it goes back quite long.
If I only knew where to look for an answer to that really intresting question. :redface: