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Interesting take on "The Patriot"

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Your point is well-taken. I might add, that despite it's flaws, it got a whole new generation to watch and learn something about our country's history, and the weapons we waged war with 200+ years ago.
You can't put a price on that. :thumbsup:
 
True, and that is a truly great bonus. FWIW, I love the movie, flaws and all. It's just fun for me :)
 
Abolitionism in the colonies and in the New World started a long time before the revolution. First it was a religious movement that gained momentum, and then it grew into a political movement over many, many decades.
So I don't agree that it was totally unrealistic for a slave holder to voluntarily set his slaves free even if it only had religious or moral justification. However the patriot had personal reasons for doing it and historical precedent in America just happened to agree. Even though he wasn't an outwardly religious person, it illustrated the high moral fiber of the hero.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism

And there were other plausible, logical reasons that were part of the story line justifying why the patriot might have decided to set his slaves free. The hero had a lot of emotional baggage going on at the time and his decision made a lot of sense.
It may not have been a popular thing to do, but it certainly was a plausible action considering the entire story line.
He considered other people to be more important than money, and revenge/waging war more important than his own personal well being. He was an emotional character that made more than one emotional decision during the film. But he took care of his own and voluntarily sacrificed everything that he had.
 
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In the movie I do not remember hearing his black employees as ever being slaves. Only that he told the Englishman that "they are not slaves"

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Here's something that has always bothered me about "The Patriot".... other than Mel turning out to be an alcoholic looney in real life....
How can you have a story set in the Carolina back country circa late 1700's... and you don't have one damn Indian shown in it???? :confused:
...Excuse me...that's "Native American" or "First Nation" or whatever the hell my kin want to be called now.

For my entertainment give me ANY version of "Last of the Mohicans".... even that crappy BBC take from the 70's.
 
I agree about the Blacks being "free men" I have always found that part to be a little too convenient, not completely implausible but verrry unlikely as well. I chaulked it up to the PC police running around screaming that the hero couldn't possibly be a slave holder too! perish the thought!!
Makes me wonder how they would portray Andrew Jackson in a movie! :hmm: :grin: :grin:
 
There is a mentioning of a british soldier being found by a Cherokee scout. After the butchering that happened on the road from Martins house. Other than that that's all you get.
Again I think thats to appeal to the audience. Most people don't realize that NA were fighting for either side. I think it would be kind of confusing for alot of people.
 
In this day and age when Hollywood seems to be putting out piles of trash flicks on a budget, just about any movie where the characters are shooting flintlocks draws my interest. I do like the movie "Patriot" a lot because I can at least find entertainment value in it's story lines and colorful battle scenes. One important thing I find in this movie that wins my thumbs up rateing regardless of it's PC historical aspects is the reality of a families sacrifice for the cause. The loss of two sons to make a new nation will give todays kids something to really think about.
 
In the Patriot, Mel Gibson was a good choice for the lead role,he is, was, maybe, could be a fine actor, but like many others like him, Martin Sheen,Heath Ledger and many others that think they are above the rules, eventually destroy themselves with their ego, and substance abuse.
And so they will drift into oblivion, as they should.
But we will still have a good memory of a good movie like the Patriot, and others like it
Old Ford
 
The movie has its merits and its weaknesses sure, but I think we can all agree that its one of the few Rev. War films that holds up, considering Hollywood's historic avoidance of the subject matter.

I once had the pleasure of working on the set of a Mel Gibson movie; "Maverick" in the fall of 1993. My father was James Garner's double and I was an extra on the set for a few days. I found Mr. Gibson to be a really warm person towards the crew and pretty much everyone, a really nice man who was very patient with his admirers. Like most people, I have been disappointed with the things that have come up in the last few years. I would hope that it could be chalked up to a man battling inner turmoil and alcoholism, and that somehow he can pull it together.
 
arcticap said:
Abolitionism in the colonies and in the New World started a long time before the revolution. First it was a religious movement that gained momentum, and then it grew into a political movement over many, many decades.
So I don't agree that it was totally unrealistic for a slave holder to voluntarily set his slaves free even if it only had religious or moral justification. However the patriot had personal reasons for doing it and historical precedent in America just happened to agree. Even though he wasn't an outwardly religious person, it illustrated the high moral fiber of the hero.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolitionism[/quote]

I never said that abolitionism didn't exist during that time, but it was at best exceedingly rare for a gentleman in South Carolina to free all of his slaves and pay a wage to them. Even many who harbored such sentiments maintained slaves for social and economic reasons. However, we see no mention that Martin is an actual abolitionist with the possible exception of having a slave sign for enlistment.

We also never see a reasoning for him to be an abolitionist. There's no discussion of why he feels that way despite the majority of his neighbors feeling differently. For that reason alone, it makes it pretty clear that they chose for him to be without slaves for marketing reasons. That's not a criticism either, as a discussion of slavery would have been a theme best left out of the film.

And there were other plausible, logical reasons that were part of the story line justifying why the patriot might have decided to set his slaves free. The hero had a lot of emotional baggage going on at the time and his decision made a lot of sense.
It may not have been a popular thing to do, but it certainly was a plausible action considering the entire story line.
He considered other people to be more important than money, and revenge/waging war more important than his own personal well being. He was an emotional character that made more than one emotional decision during the film. But he took care of his own and voluntarily sacrificed everything that he had.

Did we watch the same movie? I ask because while I agree that there were some indications that he had dealt with the horrors of war, this wasn't a man who was showing a lot of signs of emotional baggage. All in all, he was pretty well adjusted. In film, you have to show that someone is having problems. Alcoholism, nightmares, flashbacks, or any number of other devices could have been employed, yet they weren't. The closest you see is the haunted look in his eyes as he discusses the action at Ft. Wilderness. That's a far cry from being saddled with "emotional baggage".

The character of Benjamin Martin, as a person, wasn't the problem in any way however. He did bad things during the F&I War and had to live with it, which he seemed to do pretty well considering. He was apparently a good father, and had to be even more of one with the loss of his wife.

However, no amount of nuance to a character can erase a behavior that makes no sense within the context of that character without some serious allusions to motive. There isn't any. That makes it clear that the decision wasn't based on "That's what Benjamin Martin would have done", but instead was based on making sure the character was likable to the broadest audience possible. Again, not a poor decision as today's audience don't have a fondness for slavery (quite thankfully). I'd have made a similar decision, though not the exact same, if I were telling that story.
 
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