Is this 1858 an original "real deal?"

[Jebidiah Springfield]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/894894004
I'm curious if this is an original 1858, or if it is a replica that has been "antiqued"

Thank you in advance for your help.

:0)

 

[44Bro]

It's Italian. An original would have the Remington address on the barrel, NOT "New Model Army". Also the wood looks too new. Upon further inspection, it may have been a kit gun. Still Italian.

 

[No second place]

Not even a good fake...c

 

[SDSmlf]

Based on originals I have owned and one family original I still own, doubt this is an original. Just a couple of things without looking too hard, stamp on barrel is wrong, hammer is wrong, loading rammer is wrong, and that is just the starting point. Sold a beat up original for more than twice what the ‘buy it now’ price that is shown, and have turned down significantly more for an original that has family history. There is a reason the listed gun had not sold. Just my opinion.

 

[Jebidiah Springfield]

Great,

Thank you for all your help. I am still wet behind the ears with respect to black powder guns.

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

The grips also aren't the right shape and the escutcheons are wrong.

Seller is either a sham artist or just ignorant. Either way this is one to stay far away from at that price point.

 

[Jebidiah Springfield]

The ad seems pretty clearly to me to be written in an attempt to suggest this is an original. I don't think it is ignorance, just dishonesty.

 

[Robert an saa fan]

My guess would be the seller knows the revolver is a modern replica / reproduction and has been told so multiple times in this auction. Sent seller a message stating politely that the gun is not antique, is modern, etc.

Always get aggravated when I read the " No Reserve " when the opening bid is very high, often beyond top retail.

Seller will only take USPS money order in payment so good luck to the uninformed buyer getting their money back when the find out they did not buy an antique.

Gun Broker does not seem to have any way to report this auction. Their " Buyer's Protection " plan is a joke with a max of $500 and a deductible.

 

[Billy Boy]

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/894894004
I'm curious if this is an original 1858, or if it is a replica that has been "antiqued"

Thank you in advance for your help.

:0)

Much too nice shape to be original.

 

[Zonie]

This is typical of the counterfeit guns sold on all of the auction sites. It was intentionally "aged" to fool buyers and the vague description's wording tells me the seller knows it is a fake. He intentionally did not claim the gun was an original but hints strongly that it is.

A word to the wise is, never buy a gun that is an "antique" without a guarantee that you can return it and get your money back if your not satisified. After getting the gun, take it to someone knowledgeable about the real gun and have them inspect it.
In this guns case, the fact that all of the screws will turn out to be metric threaded will prove the gun is a fake.

I agree with the post above. The real Remington New Model Army barrel is stamped,

PATENTED SEPT 14, 1858
REMINGTON & SONS, ILION, NEW YORK U.S.A.
NEW MODEL

 

[SDSmlf]

Here is a photograph of the stamp on the top of the barrel from an 1858 that I own.

 

[Jebidiah Springfield]

Nice! Thank you :0)

 

[Zonie]

Thanks SDSmlf.
For those who don't know, that 1858 Patent date is the reason a lot of people call these Remingtons, 1858's.
In reality, the New Model Army and Navy didn't go into production until 1863.

 

[Boatncamp]

He conveniently does not include a shot of the left side of the frame which is where the Italian proof marks are on my Pietta Remington from 1974

 

[jonathan butcher]

I have to agree. And his pictures aren't really helpful.
This is not an original gun in any way.

The grips also aren't the right shape and the escutcheons are wrong.

Seller is either a sham artist or just ignorant. Either way this is one to stay far away from at that price point.

 

[jonathan butcher]

Exactly.

He conveniently does not include a shot of the left side of the frame which is where the Italian proof marks are on my Pietta Remington from 1974

 

[jonathan butcher]

I did not know this.

Gun Broker does not seem to have any way to report this auction. Their " Buyer's Protection " plan is a joke with a max of $500 and a deductible.

 

[Eterry]

But guys.... if you add $200 to the asking price he'll throw in a $40 holster... now who can pass a deal like that?

When i was in construction we'd say " if i had two of them I'd s♧|t on one and cover it up with the other. "

 

[jonathan butcher]

Here are a few pics of mine mfg 1863.

 

[SDSmlf]

Here is a photograph of another original 1858 that I own. I have posted it before.