Italian made flintlocks

[mushka]

I'm one of those that if a lock on one of my guns went south for any reason, I'd send it to someone that can work on and fix locks. It's just something I don't like doing. This is one reason why I have more than one gun. Arthritic hands just don't work with small things.

 

[Snydly]

Did I mention I love my Pedersoli Frontier?

Me too.

 

[Snydly]

I have CVA, Lyman, Pedersoli, and customer muzzleloaders. Bought some finished, bought some kits. Bottom line for me is they are all first class firearms. Have not had a problem with any of them except my Fowler, it would not spark with the flint size they recommended. I went to the next smaller size and it sparks over 99% of the time. All of them have excellent wood to metal finish. The frizzes all work flawlessly and are fast. Kibler kits are great and first class but they are not the "Holy Grail". For someone just getting into our sport and do not want to do a kit, for whatever reason.,,,,Let's not put them down for buying an over the counter rifle.... let's help them out with a little encouragement.

 

[Hawk54]

A kit pistol is a good place to start if you are thinking of trying your hand at assembling and finishing a kit gun. Pretty much all the same procedures, tools, and finishing processes as used in doing a rifle kit but on a much smaller scale.

 

[nelson.kline]

I love my Pedersoli Frontier, too. There’s more to a dealer than price. I have a Parker reproduction pistol I bought from Dixie, long ago. When it broke, they fixed it for free.

 

[stephenprops1]

In Europa, and especially in Absurdistan, the best currents rifles we can have is the Pedersoli's. That is a good choice, those arms are good quality, I have three of them without particular problem...

Last month I ordered a Pedersoli, Great Plains Rifle, Signature Series, 45 caliber, percussion rifle from Jedediah Star. It came about a week later. It is a good gun and it did cost me a good bit of money. I have had it out once to shoot. I have yet to break it in. I am very satisfied with my gun and the quick delivery I got from the dealer.

 

[stephenprops1]

What the H does it matter,sturmkatze???? Why does anyone think a newbie just seeing if this is a game they might like has to start in w a kit??? It's ridiculous. The fastest,easiest way to jump in BP it to buy a rifle and start shooting,NOT to order a kit and take on a build. I'm beginning to think a lot of the guys on this forum are on Kiblers payroll. It seems like every time someone wanting to get in the game is being told the only proper way is to order a Kibler kit.If you don't like an opposing opinion,tough

I would think a persons' skill level with tools and wood working might determine if they could tackle a muzzleloading kit. Anyone that has ever built a kit gun had to start at sometime. I actually got my start by restoring older muzzleloaders. My very first build was a CVA percussion pistol, several years ago. The key thing for a newbie is to take their time, watch videos (which did not exist when I did my first build) and seek help when needed.

 

[rusticbob]

I just shot my first flintlock rifle! It was a Pedersoli Scout , very windy here today so I only shot at 25 yds, off the bench, but if went off almost instantaneously, very snappy cock, great spark. I would say that’s a good start, three 490rb out of five are touching.
Please stop telling me what junk these rifles are, I’m not buying!

 

[ryoung14]

What the H does it matter,sturmkatze???? Why does anyone think a newbie just seeing if this is a game they might like has to start in w a kit??? It's ridiculous. The fastest,easiest way to jump in BP it to buy a rifle and start shooting,NOT to order a kit and take on a build. I'm beginning to think a lot of the guys on this forum are on Kiblers payroll. It seems like every time someone wanting to get in the game is being told the only proper way is to order a Kibler kit.If you don't like an opposing opinion,tough

Finally! Someone states the obvious.

 

[Rock Home Isle]

I judge a firearm based on its performance and accuracy, not by it’s mode of manufacture.

 

[sturmkatze]

Finally! Someone states the obvious.

I never said to buy a kit first. I need to puhi that guy on ignore. I will say it againbe but better, Jim Kibler's kits are first rate and easy to build. Probably the best kit out there, ever. I NEVER said that's the best way to get into the hobby.

People on the internet... Snarky and knowing it all. I've been shooting Muzzleloaders since I was 15, which was in 1979. Guess what? I don't know if all annever will. I have you what I now and what works for me. And every single time, I learn something new. These guys that know it all... Ignore them. Find a club or a good BP store. Read a lot. Books. Don't believe half of what you read on the internet.

 

[stikshooter]

This whole "build it yourself" mantra is just silly in my opinion. Most of us don't have the skills and the tools to do that kind of job ourselves!Gunsmithing and stockwork skills take practice and many times of trial and error to learn. More times than not,someone who orders a kit will just end up with a cobbled together rifle. Just my opinion

Not with a Kibler ,a novice liberal tree hugger anti guner would put it together no problem and if not pick up the phone , Jim or his wife will walk you thru the simple assembly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[stikshooter]

Sorry you feel that way...My father was a stockmaker,and I've been doing my own small gunsmithing and repair for decades..I know what it takes.Anyone who wants to build their own,go for it. I have no problem.Anyone who says to anyone just jumping in the game,no experience w BP,just wanting to see what it's about to "get a kit,build your own" is giving poor advice.JMO

Not if Kibler is suppling the kit , you just don't know any better /That's a fact not an opinion and yup got several and my 1st (SMR in 45 ) never before attempted is simply beautiful and the squirrels hate it . Get one and get educated !

 

[dbo]

OK guys ,I quit.This discussion started w a newbie asking if factory guns were ok to start with(they are)...Every 3rd post since then has been buy a kit,buy a kit,Don't buy a rifle and shoot some to find out if BP is for you,you must take on a build to be accepted..Don't buy a rtg rifle for a few hundred,order a 1k box of parts and figure it out later.....Only been on here a few months,but I've never seen such a bunch of snobs in my life.Have already contacted the administrators to remove my membership,and I sincerely hope I never run across any of you.Guess I'll go take a hacksaw to that safe full of BP guns I have....None of thems Kiblers,so I've learned they're all junk

 

[Snake Pleskin]

Well, I own several ML, most were custom made. I have one cap Lock that I built from a Lyman kit. It is a fantastic rifle! I would not hesitate to do it again if I was inclined to build, the kit was user friendly. I have thought about building the same rifle in Flint! I also note that today when I look for one, the price has doubled to over $650! That is not "cheap" IMHO!

 

[DuncNZ]

The trouble with Pedersoli is they make good firearms and not so good firearms of exactly the same type . They can be inconsistent . I believe it is their quality control inspection which lets them down . If they can do a great job some of the time why not all the time . the wooden rods are always junk and I have come to expect to replace one when it arrives , I think that is a minor problem for those of us with ml experience ,but it shouldn't be so, as a new shooter may not realise the rod is not up to scratch .
Beretta is the oldest firearms manufacturer in the world , it is the oldest manufacturer of any thing in the world , it is the oldest business continuously owned by the same family in the world , and it absolutely dominates European firearms manufacturing and is a substantial player in ammunition manufacturing in Europe .
Hardly 3rd world

 

[akroguy]

Fit and finish of my P'soli Kentucky flintlock is very good, but the stock finish is just...I dunno...kinda Walmart laminated particle board bland and they all look the same to me. Barrel blueing is deep and shiny, lock is tiny but works, better suited for a pistol, IMHO. The *&$%^ patent breech annoys me to no end. Same on my Lyman GPR...really not a fan of that chamber! I shoot only 2F as I have plenty of it, and it can clump up for some weird reason and not fall into the chamber. That is the only ignition fubar of either gun. As long as the flint is sharp, it will go bang. The .50 Kentucky is not a true .50 as was just previously mentioned, I shoot .485 with no thicker than .015 patches and it loads fine...a little tight a few inches down, but opens up the rest of the way home. I coned it and really helps with getting it started. They do work but will leave you wanting....more. That's why I ordered a Kibler Colonial!