It's available friday.

NULL B
From the Miane powder house. I'm gettin' sum!

 

[Stumpkiller]

Whachootalkinbout?

 

[bob1961]

Whachootalkinbout?

willis :haha: ..............................bob

 

:haha: :haha: :haha:
Knew that's get someones curiosity up. You know there is an old saying that only the intelligent are curious. :blah:
NULL-B is a special pan powder made by Swiss and specially formulated stickly for pan powder.
It's the hottest fastest most bestes pan powder ever made.

 

[doverdog]

I wonder what the chances are of it being available in local stores? $20 HazMat plus S&H is a little steep for 1 pound of powder. For that matter, I wouldn't have a clue as to where to go to buy Swiss powder in a store. Around here it's Goex or the fake stuff.

 

Maxi, you live in NE OH, Superflint lives in NW PA. Why not order one batch, split the fees and drive an hour or two to devide the stuff.
You know it will not be available locally. The gun shop guy will get that far away-glazed over look on his face and his jaw will hang open and he'll say "Whaaaat? Never heard of that. Are you talkin' about Pyrodex?"

 

I am considering buying a case, mixed, of Schuetzen, 2f and 3f, and maybe, if people within reasonalbe driving distance, a couple or more cans of NULL-B. One pound of priming powder lasts a looooooooooong time.
Of course one cannot sell, barter, trade, give away, etc. black powder without the appropriate licenses. :winking:

 

I have read that this special pan powder is uncoated and that's why it is faster. The 4F GOEX I have is coated, just like my 3F and 2F. The glazing isn't as strong or thick, but it's there. Grinding, in a stone mortor with ceramic pestle, normal 3F or any grade like this FG ICI cannon grade I stillhave a little of should result in pretty much the same stuff. Grinding very small amounts at a time should be safe enough for testing & I would presume it might be more hygroscopic.
: I will be much interested in your test results, Maxiball.

 

Daryl: The Swiss powder is great powder. One small problem though is that the 4fg is glazed nicely. That presents a slight draw back for pan powder however. It won't burn as fast or hot as powder with less glazing.
And yes, grinding any powder in a stone or glass morter will produce "fines" great for priming the pan. I've done this and it seems to "ssshwoose!" faster than Swiss 4fg.
Nothing wrong with the Swiss, but then they did develope a special pan powder didn't they?
Actaully I think Goex and Elephant 4fg would make a bit better pan powder than Swiss.
However that Bucks .40 of mine did really well with Swiss 4f in the pan, but then it was put together by an real craftsman.
( birddog6, how's that fer suckin'up :haha

 

You're good, no question about that.
: I've not had the pleasure of trying Swiss powder. Every store I stopped at, one or two in each State, from Michigan to Montana, lets see, 6 states, 10 stops for powder, didn't have ANY black power, let alone Swiss. The people I talked to said they couldn't get it? There were some BIG gun shops I stopped in, for certain. The answers were the same as I got in Alberta, yet I was able to pick up 8 lbs. in Ontario, all that the two shops there had.
; Come September 1st week(Cdn Stat Holiday called Labour-Day), at the Hefley Creek's, week-long rendezvous just North of Kamloops B.C., I'll be able to pick up all the BP I can afford at that time. A fellow will be there with a huge supply of it. I've not known him to bring anything but GOEX before, so I'll give him a call about Elephant for ctg. and Swiss for rifles/smoothbore. I have heard that Elephant is very accurate in ctg. guns. :bull: or Truth? Anyone know?

 

[Rebel]

If you plan on using Elephant in anything, you better plan on having MAGNUM caps or primers, cause the stuff takes a big blast to ignite it. Couldn't even get it to work in a flinter without major hangfires and misfires.

 

[doverdog]

Rebel, Those are fightin' words on certain parts of this here internet. Can even get you banned to Cyberlimbo. ::

 

[roundball]

I tried 5 cans of lot# 24/99 Elephant FFFg...ignition was so delayed I couldn't use it...tried to salvage the investment by using it in percussions but it had the same problem...couldn't find anyone locally that wanted it so this spring I poured it out in rows on bare ground and burned it off to get rid of it...switched to Goex and it's been outstanding...fast, clean accurate, affordable, etc

 

Rebel, it is common to use magnum primers in BP ctg. guns. IT has been found that a healthy spark heps with reducing fouling and reduing shot to shot velocity variations, called standard deviation.
: I commonly use Federal 215's in BP ctg. guns using 70gr. or more powder.
; I used to use Ned Roberts teachings about a weak spark, but found when switching to a magnum primer, my accuracy improved. Switching to Fed 215's from CCI250's also reduced group size.

 

[Rebel]

Superflint, yep, i know all about that sight in cyberspace. Been there done that. Why i got booted long before you were even around there. :: :: But i'm back on there again. Have been since right after The Lord And Master decided i was an undesireable for disagreeing with him on an issue, and booted me off. Don't go there much, just wanted to mostly see if i could get back on, which i did. But i like it here a whole lot better. Nobody much develops any attitudes here, like frequently happens other places. Nice quiet, friendly bunch of people here for the most part. Hope they will let me stay at the fire for a spell.

 

[Rebel]

Daryl, what i was talking about had nothing to do with accuracy, unless you consider all the lag time from when you pull the trigger and the hammer falls, until the powder actually ignites. With the 24/99 lot of Elephant i had you could pull the trigger and start counting while waiting for ignition to take place. Put the gun on sand bags, pull the trigger, go get a soft drink and come back and watch as the gun finally went off. ::

 

[roundball]

Heh, heh, heh...that's not far from the truth...I'll never forget the first couple times I loaded up and squeezed off a shot...the pan flashed, nothing happened, my body barely began to prepare for bringing the rifle down and it went off...was still on my shoulder but you know what I mean...muscles are actually beginning to respond to the brain command to bring down the rifle but you haven't actually got it started down yet and it goes off.

When I poured it on the ground to burn it this spring, I poured one pound at a time in a line about 10-15 feet long, and it took several seconds to burn it's length.

I expected a lot faster burn from one end to the other, but I'd toss a match on one end and then just stand there and watch it burn...just sort of meandered along, flashing and making smoke...seemed like it took forever.

Saved the cans...they'll be worth more on EBay than the powder was ::

 

THAT's incredible - BP is supposed to burn at the speed of sound, unconfined - something like 1,080fps at sea level.
; I see your point-= perhaps I dont' need to try that stuff HA!

 

I'm rather surprised at the negative comments about Elephant from a couple of the fellas. I have a case, or what's left of it of 2001 mfg. date and it's almost equal to Goex in stregnth. No ignition troubles at all in flinters or cappers. Beats me?????
I don't shoot blk powder ctg. so have no idea what problems can be encountered in that particular arena, but I really like Elephant, especially in larger bores, over .50 with heavier bullets and rountballs.
Elephant 4fg is a very good pan powder for me.
Sorry to hear you had so much trouble finding blk. pwder in the States. Fewer shops carry it today than ever before.
i have to order by the case from a distruibutor then find people close by to distribute some of it with.

 

[Dave K]

Instead of buying more Elephant like I had, I would buy whiskey. There are more headaches in a pound of Elephant than a bottle.