It's available friday.

Instead of buying more Elephant like I had, I would buy whiskey. There are more headaches in a pound of Elephant than a bottle.

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That really, really, cracked me up!
I'll use up my elephant as it seems to be a good 'nuff batch and Elephant is all but dried up now. it's a gonner.
So it's Swiss, Schuetzen, Goex.
If I absolutley had to sue faux powder it would be 777. It delivers a LOT of gee-whiz, much the same as Swiss, and is easy to clean up.
I just mught get a case of Schuetzen soon.

 

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When I ordered my last case of powder, I also had them substitute a couple cans of Swiss to try along with the Goex. I had heard all this talk about how excellent the powder is. Well I hate to be a burr but I like the Goex much better. I have fantastic ignition with Goex, and the difference between the two I could not see spending the extra money for.

I was told that Swiss burned cleaner if there is such a thing with black powder, but to be honest I could not see the difference in fowling between the two. I will stick with Goex from now on.

 

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I'm rather surprised at the negative comments about Elephant from a couple of the fellas.

Just to be clear, I work hard not to "generalize" about elephant or any brand of anything.
I specifically stated I had 5 cans of a specific lot# 24/99 of elephant which was of such poor quality as to be completely unuseable, and was destroyed.

Other lots may have been fine, don't know...but since switching to Goex there's never been any reason to risk trying elephant again anyway.

 

Of course go with what works for you.
I just happened to have a good lot. Elephant definately made some junk powder in the past.
Re: "I like Goex better than Swiss."
I can fully understand why too.
Swiss is a SPORTING grade powder. It's true niche is in black powder Ctg. shooting.
The BEST use for Swiss in muzzle loaders is in calibers .45 and smaller, in 3fg.
No one I know of has ever endorsed Swiss as a general muzzle loading powder. It has a specific use and burn rate, remember it's a Sporting grade powder.
I'm not trying to be a smart arse, but maybe some members don't know that there are differences in burn rates even though the basic intimate mixutre of the three base ingredients is the same.
Sporting grade is largely used in Ctg. guns, and small bore mussle loaders. RIFLE grade burn rate, (what Schuetzen and current Goex is) is for general use in all muzzle loaders if the appropriate grain size for caliber is used. I.E. 2fg in larger than .50 and so on. Then there is musket grade burn rate, cannon and so on.
If one has some 1.5 Swiss then that can be used successfully in muzzle loader calibers over .50 IF the carges are cut by 20%.
Use Swiss in a way it was not intended and it will foul as bad as most any other black powder.
I used 50 grains of 3fg Swiss in a .45 flinter and it was almost as clean as using 777.
I used Swiss 2fg in a .50, .54, and .58 and it was just as dirty as any other black, though the fouling was softer and easier by just a bit to clean.
There is STILL a lot of bad information out there about black powder.

 

is THE powder for regulating multibarreled rifles or shooting to the sights of fixed sighted singles, according to Ross Seyfried. This powder, he found, almost duplicated #6 Curtis & Harvey of the 19th century, using the load data on the table of the actions. He found, with GOEX, it took roughly 20gr. more per hundred grain charge, to match the velocity of the original loads. Some ctg.s won't allow that much EXTRA so they wouldn't shoot together with BP.
; You are correct, Maxiball - wish I had some for my ctg. guns. To have fine double rifles finally shoot to the sights and together, would be worth the exra price, even if doubled. Wish I had some of those too, now that there's a powder that will shoot make them shoot properly.