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IX Cavallier Flintlock Dragoon Musket

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Bullmoose

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I've been looking at these myself, as well as the model of 1786, which is even lighter and handier. Cherry's has the 1786 for $930.00. The only hands on experience I have is with an AN IX that was cobbled up from a full length Pedersoli musket. It was close looks wise, and was a blast to shoot. I'm thinking of using one for a woods running gun--Cherry's says the 1786 weighs under 7 pounds. The locks are likely to be the only weak point if there is one, and are easily tuned.
 
One of the new An IX muskets has been kicking around gunbroker, apparently bought from the display models. Still over there for $900. Looks real shiny.
 
what era is your persona?

the only spanish guns that look "french" were 1815 and 1822, 1828 and 1836 musket, the 1815 sargeants short musket, and the 1815 dragoon musket.

From 1790 -1815 spanish weapons had the Spanish lock fitted, or the peculiar "Mixta" locks that had the sear projecting through the lockplate. Strange to say the spanish disdained everything french and few captured arms seem to have been ussed by them as far as I can tell. :)

The 1815 draggon musket is more similar to the Corige an IX musket but with a 37" barrel and slimmer -there is no special middle band like the an IX dragoon musket
 
"Strange to say the spanish disdained everything French"
They hated French stuff??? HUMMMM

All I wanted to know was, could I use a IX cavallier musket.
1790's thru 1820's is my persona, California Spanish Dragoon Soldier.
Can't find a Spanish gun, so I was wondering if a captured French would work.
 
you know on the muzzleloader campfire site, alot of talk has been going on about "Bucaneer" or club butt guns. I have seen them advertised in ML mag. with pic. and some are noted as Dutch style and I belive less than Perersoli. The Spanish used Club butts I belive. I had a Pedersoli Brown Bess and I know the quility in Top notch, but take a look (Leonard Day 413-527-0184)All made in USA and all less than Pedersoli. Pg 49 in July -Aug. Muzzleloader mag.

P.
 
The true buccaneer or boucanier gun is a sort of French club butt smooth bore, but with distinctive features. The barrels were nearly five feet long. Their period of use seems to have been the late 17th century to the mid 18th century. They were sometimes used in the slave trade.
 
Leonard Day makes a 31" 20ga also. I guess we make do with what is out there. As a Spanird is this fellow in Spain as in 1780's 1815 or Old California. He could carry a lance. If I could replace a lance with a French or English musket I might be able to put my dislike for the "Other guy' aside to get something that goes Bang instead of Stick!
 
I just read above he is a Califorio. So he might could get away with a blunderbuss.
 
true on the Lance and shield, yep that is the right persona, As to the An IX Cavallier pedersoli gun, this seems to be the right type, because it was copied by other countries, used by almost every military groups or units, and 1000's upon 1000's were made up till 1815. So having a least a 5 year old gun handed down or sold or traded to a Spanish soldier would seem OK???
 
It works for me. I was born and raised in CAl in the southern desert and San Diego. At old town San Diego they have Spanish guns on disply and also at San Juan Capistrano. I love the look of that Pedersoli and really loved my Brown Bess. Super high quilty. Get it and you will not be sorry

P.
 
Russian Bullmoose Man said:
They hated French stuff??? HUMMMM

All I wanted to know was, could I use a IX cavallier musket.
1790's thru 1820's is my persona, California Spanish Dragoon Soldier.
Can't find a Spanish gun, so I was wondering if a captured French would work.

Yep they hated French people and anything to do with France. Relations were hostile after the revolution in 1783 and the execution of the Spanish King's cousins, the royal family of France.

The French invaded Spain 1807, installed a puppet regieme, and then ripped the country apart for the next 7 years fighting the English, Portuguese, remnants of the Spanish royal army and guerillas. By 1814 when Napoleon was defeated the country was a smoking starving ruin and for many years any French traveller risked being murdered by the roadside

I can't speak specifically for colonial cavalry but regular spanish cavalry in the era you mention would have had the choice of :
"Carabina para Caballeria" issued 1780's-1790's cal. 69 length of barrel 34-37 inches,sometimes pinned barrel, sometime barrel bands. Model 1753 "french" style lock fitted.

"Escopeta para Tropas Ligeras" issued around 1770's cal. 69 length of barrel 37 inches, barrel bands or combo of pins and one band at the muzzle, spanish style lock fitted.

"Carabina para Cabelleria" issued 1790's-1800's
.69 cal 37 inch barrel, bands, sling attachment on side of lockplate and middle band, spanish style lock

"Tercerola para caballeria" (short carbine) 1790's-1800 issue. cal .69, 26 inch barrel, 2 barrel bands, svivel ring on lockplate, spanish style lock

"Fusil para dragones" 1800's issue,
.69 cal, 36 inch barrel, pinned to stock, spanish style lock.

"Tercerola para caballeria" about 1800-1808
Two models. Same as previous short carbine but with improved stock fittings. One issue had the spanish style lock, the other had the "llave mixta" with internal mainspring and tumbler but the sear poking through the lockplate

"Fusil Modelo 1815 para dragones"
cal 69, 37 inch barrel, barel bands, regular sling attachement. Looks like a slimmer shorter French An IX infantry musket but the band springs face the shooter. Because of the state the country was in it was years before the productiuon kicked off. the ones I have seen are all dated 1822


You won't find any of these, even at TRS, so I guess a French gun, or anything else with barrel bands will work.
:wink:

Stupid Pedersoli, would much rather they make some interesting Spanish stuff than Wuttemburg or Austrian muskets. Someone in Spain was making "royal model of 1717" 1750's issue muskets years ago, but they all got snapped up by spanish re-enactors lucky devils.
:hatsoff:
 
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