Jag stuck

[boker]

hey guys , i have a t/c hawkens . as i was cleaning it for the first time after buying it , my cleaning rod with the jig and patch got stuck at the bottom of the barrel . i broke the handle off the cleaning rod trying to pull it out but i can still get some pliers on it . only think i can think of is to pour something down the barrel and let it deslove the patch so the jig will come free then i can clean the rest out . i have not idea why it got stuck i had already been useing a wire brush and patch with hot water and soap .any thought on how to get this out ?? i am at lost , thanks

 

[longrifle346]

Had the same thing hapen just yesterday while trying to salvage a 45 Hawken barrel for my BIL. I had to grip the ramrod with pliars, hold the barrel upside down, and tap/beat on the pliars with a block of wood but finally got it out.

That sewer pipe will probably end up as a 50....

 

[mr.flintlock]

If the barrel,nipple and breach is dry you can probably work a little 3-f powder under the nipple and shoot it out. You can also buy a CO2 dis-charger that you can use to blow it out. One other option is to remove the breach plug and push it on through. Anything you pour in to disolve the patch will likely harm the bore of your rifle.

 

[Rifleman1776]

That can be a real though situation with TCs. Is it a newer or very early 'hawken'? The early ones often had some serious problems with the breech. Many had gaps between the breech and barrel causing 'grab'. John Baird discussed this at length when his magazine Buckskin Report existed. I had one of those bad barrels and after a lot of correspondance the company replaced it. Dribbling some 4Fg in behind the jag and shooting it out might be the best first attempt. Debreeching can be problematic. There is a special wrench for this job and it requires a very large vise to hold the barrel. Don't attempt this yourself unless you are properly equiped and have some experience with these things. Or, if you have a good seal down there, the zerk and grease gun method might work. Debreeching is a last resort.

 

[necchi]

Another vote for shoot it out if the chamber is dry, doesn't take that much powder.

Not to change the subject but this is another reason (beyond the 20 year old scar tissue still in my palm) that my wood rods only hang in the gun for looks.
Been useing other than wood for decades now.

 

[Big John]

pour a little water down the bore and wait 5 minutes, it should come out, if not blow it out with air or a ball dispenser

 

[chipper c]

If the patch was dry that's why it is stuck, I pore some 91% isopropyl alcohol down the barrel, when you see it coming out the nipple after a minute or so push the rod forward, it will fall out like it was never stuck at all. :thumbsup:

 

[ohio ramrod]

Another recomendation for alcohol soak, If the alcohol soak doesn't get it try 50/50 alcohol and hydrogen peroxide. Sometimes the bubbling action helps in penetration.. also I recommend you leave the wooden rods for competition where they are required. I myself make and use unbreakable fiberglass (brown ) ramrods. With brass tips threaded on both ends. :idunno:

 

[jtmattison]

It's a little late for this advice. Lots of people panic when this happens and have bad things happen like broken ramrods.
When your jag sticks you need to get moisture down the bore to soak the patch and fouling. I have found that just about anything works but I usually have a small bottle of BP solvent or moose juice with me.
Pour it in and let it sit for a few minutes.
It also helps to keep a length of leather strap handy. You can half hitch it to the rod and tie it off to a tree or post and pull the rod out.

HD

 

[tom deinek]

Have not tried it, but have heard about pouring bleach down barrel & lettinmg it set for 1/2 hour. Fabric patch degrades and releases jag. Requires immediate & copious irrigation with clear water afterwards.

 

[rr11]

Would the bleach cause damage to the bore? I read a article on aging steel with bleach several years ago. How long would it take to degrade the patch? I do not know just asking.

 

[boker]

funny thing guys last nite after i got tired of messing with it . only thing i had on hand that i thought might would work was bleach . so i poured some in it and let it sit ,today when i got home i tied the cleaning rod off to my 4 wheeler and gave the gun about 5 super hard jerks, and it came loose . i was to the point i didnt care what happened . the patch was eat up pretty good . and it look like it also cut out a lot of powder build up i guess from the gun sitting two years loaded .i was worryed my self that the bleach might damage the barrel . i hope i didnt screw up . the bore was soaked with hot water and soap so i couldnt think of any thing else at the time ,anyway its cleaned and ready to got to the range this week . i will let y'all know how it shoots. thanks again to all .

 

[S.Kenton]

I recently purchased an Un-breakable ram rod from Ohio Ramrod.I like it alot and use it everytime I shoot. I also got a wooden handle and a bore guide from him..I recently got my RR stuck in my barrel..all I did was screw on the wooden handle to the end of the stuck RR and point the barrel at the ground and put both feet on the handle and give her a YANK.. the RR came right out.. no fuss nor muss. Although the results may have differed in your case..sounds like ya had a real problem!..

 

[paulab]

Bleach is an oxidizer. It will rust steel in NO TIME.

 

[morehops]

This also happened to me more than once I'm afraid. First pour some bore cleaner or thin lube down the barrel and let it sit at least 5 minutes. Then get a good set of pliers or channel locks. Grab the rod and twist it CLOCKWISE or you might unscrew the jag. Turn it a full turn or 2. Now get a thin piece of wood like a shim or even several layers of cloth to protect the muzzle. Grab the rod with the pliers right at the muzzle with the barrel verticle and the pliers horizontal and use the muzzle as the fulcrum point to lever the rod out a little at a time. After a few of these levering actions it will come out every time.
In the future you can use smaller patches or a smaller diameter jag (.45 instead of .50) to eliminate the problem. I also keep a multi-tool w/ pliers in my range bag now.

 

[JMinnerath]

I bought an older T/C .50 Hawken and I stuck a few patches.
I finally made some carbon scrapers and you wouldn't believe the amount of crud I got out from down there around the chamber!
The barrel is still in pretty poor shape with lots of pitting and I have to swab every few shots or I can't get a ball and patch pushed home.

 

[Rat Trapper]

I wouldn't use bleach for this problem. People need to learn to stop using those wooden rods. while this may not be real PC here, Knight makes a real nice range rod made out of aluminum. This rod comes with a "T" handle and 3/8 inch in dia. If it gets stuck you can grab hold of the barrel and tap the handle on the side of the work bench or picnic table. Stuck rod and patch will come right out. I will only use the rod on the rifle if I have to load while in the woods. All my wood rods on my rifles have been replaced with coated fiber glass rods.

 

[JMinnerath]

My rifle is stored with the wood rod because it's a pretty thing.
I never use it to shoot though!

 

[ohio ramrod]

J it sounds like your rifle could use a simple lapping. Pouring a lead lapping slug is simple.Run an oiled patch down the bore. Take a light force fit dowel rod with a piece of 10/32 allthread glued into it. Push the dowel down about two inches leaving enough all thread for holding and retrieving. Pour some lead about one inch deep. Pull out the plug after about 30 seconds, remove the wooden dowel and you have a lead lapping slug to use with valve grinding coumpound or lapping coumpound available at most auto parts stores.. Use a "throwaway" wooden rod since the coumpound will embed into your rod. I have salvaged several "ruined" barrels this way. :idunno: :idunno:

 

[JMinnerath]

I've thought about lapping that barrel, but I'm mainly a centerfire shooter and just always have a new rifle to work with