Japanese reproduction flintlock identification

[Alden]

I think it's a Hawken...

 

[Wes/Tex]

You would ! :wink: :haha: Their cousin Hosegawa Hawkens!

You guys just kept at it till I had to go hunt through the old catalogs. Seems there were two versions 40 years ago! Arms International had the version with a hinged patchbox, French walnut stock, and double case-hardened frizzen for $78.00! Liberty Arms had the "Tower Flintlock Rifle" and advertised as "caliber .69. smoothbore musket similar to those used in 18th century." :shocked2: Theirs came with flat box lid, iron ramrod like the Bess and was $54.95 with a $59.95 "Deluxe Version"...probaly hot dip galvanized to be authentic!! :rotf:

 

[mrremington]

This is a add I found with the only other picture I could find. Looks like the same gun. http://www.usedvancouver.com/class...pan-2988-Flintlock-MusketSheik-Sword_19271518

 

[brubincam]

didn't numeric arms sell a 2 piece barrel rifle

 

[Alden]

That is one of the sickest things I've ever seen. Didn't know till now Japan would write "Japan" on a gun in 1880, and that they were exporting guns, and to Afghan war lords in defense of their tribal lands against the British.

I still think it's a Hawken -- I can prove it because it looks nothing like a T/C Hawken so it MUST BE an original, rare, Ichikawa Hawken and needs to be in The Museum of the Fur Trade where just an hour makes you an expert.

 

[mrremington]

So after reading everybody's opinions on this ML. I feel guilty charging the guy as much as we agreed apon. By the sounds of it I should pay him to take it away lol

 

[Alden]

Guilty? Nah, its a REAL "original," not a reproduction...

 

[zimmerstutzen]

It is a valuable example of poor, dangerous quality.

I recently saw a Yugo with 40K miles bring $3,000 at auction. Might be the last one running in the state. :wink:

 

[CoyoteJoe]

So after reading everybody's opinions on this ML. I feel guilty charging the guy as much as we agreed apon. By the sounds of it I should pay him to take it away lol

Didn't you read the expert evaluation of that "rare Japanese musket"? It's worth $6,888.00

 

[Alden]

U say Yugo and I know u mean a Yugoslavian Mauser.

"48 thousand rounds through it I guess he means, for $3,000 is insane... But the last one running? That's a semi-auto expression! Oh, he really DOES mean the car!"

Yugoslavia nationalized the POS Fiat factory there when the Italians really didn't want it anymore anyway and that became the POS Yugo!

 

[bpd303]

Did you email him to let him know what a piece of 1960s crap he was trying to pass off as an antique?

 

[mrremington]

No but do you notice the add was renewed. I guess not to many takers. Lol

 

[mrremington]

Well I cleaned it up added a flint and a ram rod. The buyer was so happy. I told him strictly a wall hanger. Thanks for all your help

 

[Alden]

Pic!?

 

[mrremington]

I need to find a better way of uploading pictures

 

[Alden]

Well, that's a little nicer we'd have to agree...
Thanks

 

[Allan ford]

Are you talking about a rifle or a pistol? You need to provide a bit more information.

Perhaps 35 or more years ago, there were some Japanese-made kits on the market. My wife actually gave me a flintlock pistol kit she got at a discount store and, after looking it over, we took it back for a refund. The components were very crude and the inletting on the stock was terrible. It would have been too much work to assemble and finish it with the final result being less than desireable no matter how carefully it was done. I have not seen one lately but I suspect that is what you are talking about. I do not remember the brand name only that it was made in Japan.

I have one of the same Pistols that Japan with the eagle are they worth firing

 

[OldSmoky1967]

Yes sorry it's a musket 32 inch barrel. After removing the charge in the barrel I removed the lock it was so full of hardened grease. I put a flint in the jaws. The geometry is way off on the lock It certainly is a poor quality gun.

Pictures? I may have a lock that will work....