Japanese tower pistol replica stock?

[Mason Ponton]

Hey y'all it's been a while since I posted and I wasn't sure if I should have put this in the wanted section or not but I'm just looking, I don't have money yet soo.... Does anyone know where I could find a stock for two of these? Thanks!

 

[donk56]

what's wrong with the stock now? Broken?

 

[fourbore]

WOW!! Another 'JAPAN' slightly different version than mine

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...kmart-japan-flint-pistol.120854/#post-1654657
I want to know more about 'these'? What are the "two of these" ?

 

[Mason Ponton]

The stocks are very broken. I will post picks. I have them apart so I can put new ones on. One looks repairable but I'm a super noob to stalks and wood working in general.

 

[Mason Ponton]

WOW!! Another 'JAPAN' slightly different version than mine

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...kmart-japan-flint-pistol.120854/#post-1654657
I want to know more about 'these'? What are the "two of these" ?

I myself don't know for sure who made them. I just know that they are cheap Japanese replicas with bad reps but it's all I got in the flintlock world so...

 

[Pete G]

I wouldn't spend much. Those used to be advertised for $29.95. Probably worth more now, but not much more.

 

[Mason Ponton]

Ya they're definitely not worth much. But I'm on an extremely low budget right now, and it's all I got(flintlock wise). They were also kinda an heirloom.

 

[fourbore]

I am not a good wood worker person, but; for me it would 100% more easy to glue up those stocks than make or fit replacements. Repair it is a nothing to loose scenario. I would be in shock if you could buy replacemnts that did not require at lot of fitting. A good stock maker could start from a blank or from a close fit. If you are like me, repairing what you have is the easy way out.

There are some good youtube video. I hope others here, better than me, can give you good direction. I would strip the finish. No sanding. I use carpenters/white/wood glue. For a clamp I use rubber tubing. (Youtube trick)

The missing pieces can be glue in with similar wood chunks. For not so good a result, you can fill in with a filler product. Epoxy wood. For small pieces you can steal wood from under the barrel. It would help for you to practice on some samples first. The gun restoration professionals can make near invisible repairs.

A good reason to keep it simple and low cost, is those pistols are not going to shoot without lock work. And other questions after that. My pistol is in new condition and it pretty darn far from functional.

 

[Mason Ponton]

Okay I can definitely try that. Thanks! Do you have any particular videos you could point me to?

 

[fourbore]

I would be searching from scratch. I do have better luck with Google to find YouTube videos than searching from withing YouTube. Larry Potterfield has some good stuff on YouTube. I think he did a shotgun stock with gorilla glue and I prefer to stay with an acid brush and some premium carpenter glue. There some real talent on this website. You need to get thier attention. Maybe those guys spend more time in the "Gun Builder's Bench".

I got a couple products from Home Depot. Titebond III Ultimate Wood glue. Also J-B weld Kwikwood. Both of these can also be mixed with chunks and dust of real wood.

Another trick to research is using a steam iron and damp cloth to raise dents.

You can use wood screws to reinforce repairs. Under the tang is a logical spot for screws, also under the barrel.

 

[Many Klatch]

I have had two of those at one time. They require massive lock work to become functional. I wound up tossing most of the lock parts and using some odd parts that I had to eventually make them work.

However, your question is how to fix the stocks. I have seen worse stocks repaired. First the big breaks. You will need some stainless steel bolts. Cut the heads off the bolts so that you now have a stainless steel reinforcing rod. Drill oversized holes in both sides of the break so that the rods will fit in the holes and you can put the broken pieces back together. Once you have it so everything fits together like you want, it's time to get out the epoxy, you want the slower curing epoxy instead of the 5 minute type, that way the epoxy will soak into the wood a little better. When you mix the epoxy mix in a little paint with it so the epoxy color will be close to your desired color. Put the pieces together, use rubber bands or whatever you have to hold it. Make sure to fill the drilled holes so the reinforcing rods are fully encapsulated. Don't mess with it for 24 hours.

Smaller breaks can be fixed with Gorilla glue. The nice thing about Gorilla glue is that it expands as it cures and fills in some missing spots. The thing about Gorilla glue is that it needs moisture to cure. So brush tap water onto the breaks before adding the glue. Don't mess with this for 24 hours. There seems to be some big pieces missing. Depending on your skill level you can either carve a piece that will fit and use Gorilla Glue to hold it in or you could use Plastic wood. The plastic wood is best used in multiple thin layers, let them dry completely before adding more.

Finally you will have a stock that is back together but has lots of ugly glue marks. Now is the time to file and sand back to the original levels. On the pistols that I had I just spray painted them black since the wood wasn't worth much. A spray coat of paint and a coat of wax and they will be as good as they ever were.

With patience you can fix them. I suggest you fix them one at a time. Fix the least damaged one first, learn from your mistakes and then work on the other. Good luck

 

[toot]

Ya they're definitely not worth much. But I'm on an extremely low budget right now, and it's all I got(flintlock wise). They were also kinda an heirloom.

remember that anything can be fixed. if you can't do it there is some one that can! so go for it!!.

 

[toot]

GROLLIA WOOD GLUE will work wonders, please just as said what do you have loose? where the wood is gone use wood filler and when dry use wood stain on the wood filler. amazing what the out come will be for pennies!!!

 

[Grenadier1758]

Do use a stainable wood filler. Some wood fillers won't take a stain.

 

[Mason Ponton]

Hey all just got back from the store yesterday! I chose Locktight wood glue. It says it dries in 10min and it's stainable. Hope it works! I will keep you guys posted. I'm going to try that wood screw technique as well for reinforcement.Thanks for all the awesome advise and encouragement! This forum is full of awesome people! And I'm a member of many, I have lots of interests. And there's always someone that's gotta be rude to me or someone else that makes a comment. But not here! Even when I accidentally broke the forum rules for my first time no one was rude especially the moderators so thanks y'all!!!

 

[Mason Ponton]

I have had two of those at one time. They require massive lock work to become functional. I wound up tossing most of the lock parts and using some odd parts that I had to eventually make them work.

However, your question is how to fix the stocks. I have seen worse stocks repaired. First the big breaks. You will need some stainless steel bolts. Cut the heads off the bolts so that you now have a stainless steel reinforcing rod. Drill oversized holes in both sides of the break so that the rods will fit in the holes and you can put the broken pieces back together. Once you have it so everything fits together like you want, it's time to get out the epoxy, you want the slower curing epoxy instead of the 5 minute type, that way the epoxy will soak into the wood a little better. When you mix the epoxy mix in a little paint with it so the epoxy color will be close to your desired color. Put the pieces together, use rubber bands or whatever you have to hold it. Make sure to fill the drilled holes so the reinforcing rods are fully encapsulated. Don't mess with it for 24 hours.

Smaller breaks can be fixed with Gorilla glue. The nice thing about Gorilla glue is that it expands as it cures and fills in some missing spots. The thing about Gorilla glue is that it needs moisture to cure. So brush tap water onto the breaks before adding the glue. Don't mess with this for 24 hours. There seems to be some big pieces missing. Depending on your skill level you can either carve a piece that will fit and use Gorilla Glue to hold it in or you could use Plastic wood. The plastic wood is best used in multiple thin layers, let them dry completely before adding more.

Finally you will have a stock that is back together but has lots of ugly glue marks. Now is the time to file and sand back to the original levels. On the pistols that I had I just spray painted them black since the wood wasn't worth much. A spray coat of paint and a coat of wax and they will be as good as they ever were.

With patience you can fix them. I suggest you fix them one at a time. Fix the least damaged one first, learn from your mistakes and then work on the other. Good luck

Oh I just saw your post, sorry I guess I got excited! I will definitely try that, or something like that . I'm not very skilled but I can get by. I will definitely give it my best though!

P.S. these belonged to my great uncle who was basically a mountain man. Super into this stuff and I found that they were greased up on the inside so Im hoping he got to tinker with them before hand . I will post picks of the locks as well to see if you guys notice anything cus I have no idea how to make to these work for real. But like I said they're all I got and wana be a part of this awesome community! Thanks again!!

 

[TNGhost]

From the photos it looks like someone tried to repair them once before. Any idea how they got broken?

I have to agree with the others and your choice of glue. While clear epoxy works well for fixing cracks when their in no exterior damage like wood missing, a stainable glue works best for situations like yours. Gluing, using reinforcing pins of steel or hardwood dowel, followed by filling gouges, etc, with wood slivers or sawdust and then sanding and re staining and re-finishing the whole stock.

If you use steel pins as described above it necessitates the use of epoxy. Hardwood dowels will allow you to use the stainable wood glue. Either way will give you a usable end product

 

[Capnball]

Ya they're definitely not worth much. But I'm on an extremely low budget right now, and it's all I got(flintlock wise). They were also kinda an heirloom.

I think I have the same gun

 

[Rudyard]

I bought just such a pistol sent me from Florida to BC Canada. Proofing sent it flying back into rocks so restocked it . basic mounts are fine. brl stout locks. Well poor but can be worked up .Even as they are the stock can be improuved . spare stocks are not going to be too available, but who can say, one might turn up . Lots of luck with your repairs .
Rudyard

 

[fourbore]

Now that stock repair is settled, I want to point out an issue with mine. The fit behind the bolster has a lot of air space It is most;ly mising metal to wood contact just below the tang. About 90% of the rear end of the barrel does not touch the stock. I could not see until I removed the barrel. Recoil is going to get transmitted from the barrel to stock at the tang. The tang and a narrow strip along the top edge of the barrel. I suggest you guys take a look at that spot. That area needs to be bedded (on my Japan).

I suggest removing the barrel for proof firing.