Kibler Hawken?

[brazosland]

Id still like to see a percussion lock offered for a Woodsrunner. May not be period correct but sure would be a nice caplock to shoot for fun.

I have a contemporary gun that is percussion, the lock was clearly a flint lock cut down and modified to percussion. It is a near clone of a gun in the Museum of the Fur Trade. That’s what Kibler should do…sell us that lock plate and a hammer.

 

[Patched]

Oh boy….more Hawken yakking’…I’ve turned over every possible stone in this Hawken Mythology that is available to “we the public” since the middle 1970s…went museum hopping and a local antique dealer had two for sale that I’d go visit, handle and photograph regularly just to connect with the makers.
I’ve been a diligent student …and disciple.

What I know with certainty is this:
Every Hawken rifle is so different from every other Hawken rifle…up until Jacob died…it’s at that time they take on somewhat “standard” features.

So discussing architectures, calibres, twists, hardware, converted locks, cheek rests, breeches, tangs, sights etc…to decide what is authentic Hawken…has been done ad nauseam…

There is a Hawken out there with your personal Hawken preferences except one…a known flintlock…several that appeared to have been flinters…reason says they existed…but

What ever Kibler comes up with it’ll likely be “authentic” but won’t please everybody.

Example: choose your favorite Hawken cheekrest.

 

[Gum Slough Muzzleloader]

Oh boy….more Hawken yakking’…I’ve turned over every possible stone in this Hawken Mythology that is available to “we the public” since the middle 1970s…went museum hopping and a local antique dealer had two for sale that I’d go visit, handle and photograph regularly just to connect with the makers.
I’ve been a diligent student …and disciple.

What I know with certainty is this:
Every Hawken rifle is so different from every other Hawken rifle…up until Jacob died…it’s at that time they take on somewhat “standard” features.

So discussing architectures, calibres, twists, hardware, converted locks, cheek rests, breeches, tangs, sights etc…to decide what is authentic Hawken…has been done ad nauseam…

There is a Hawken out there with your personal Hawken preferences except one…a known flintlock…several that appeared have been flinters…reason says they existed…but

What ever Kibler comes up with it’ll likely be “authentic” but won’t please everybody.

Example: choose your favorite Hawken cheekrest.View attachment 376416View attachment 376417

Interesting, thanks gor posting.

 

[Antelope Pete]

Good post Patched.
It seems that the Hanson's would be astute enough that if there was a no doubt conversion Hawken that they would consider it a flintlock.

 

[Patched]

Good post Patched.
It seems that the Hanson's would be astute enough that if there was a no doubt conversion Hawken that they would consider it a flintlock.

I don’t know how they refer to this rifle…(usually by some owners name)
Lots of flintlockesque holes on the lock plate and a drum.

I didn’t really wanna go down specific Hawken feature rabbit holes…I only want to point out the wide variety of individual features and varying looks of a “Hawken”….Drop at the heel, for instance is 3” to 4” that really changes the look and feel of a rifle…

What Kibler goes with we can only speculate…but stock drop, trigger guard and method of attachment, breech appearance etc can be a very wide range….until the Sam rifles with the slant breech and signature scroll guard etc…1848 gold rush guns is what I call em.

 

[Fastleo]

I’m in the crowd that cares about the weight. My heavy guns stay home and I’m tired of buying stuff that I don’t end up using. I’m not caliber picky because I only shoot deer and paper targets, but in most cases I buy the largest caliber available just for the weight savings. I’m looking forward to the details of his new hawken kit. I’m definitely interested in buying one.

 

[Patched]

Illustrating a point …

The bottom rifle is a “gold rush gun”….but has a non slant breech, Golcher lock and the flat full stock style trigger guard…I thought it had a stock fit trigger pull of like 13” for a small guy when I looked down the sights…
Note the extra drop in the stock of the top 2 guns …more “ Virginia/Maryland” style.

I’d like Kibler to use the Montana HS gun (middle) with a tapered barrel 33”…50,54 or 58

 

[brazosland]

I don’t know how they refer to this rifle…(usually by some owners name)
Lots of flintlockesque holes on the lock plate and a drum.View attachment 376481View attachment 376482 I didn’t really wanna go down specific Hawken feature rabbit holes…I only want to point out the wide variety of individual features and varying looks of a “Hawken”….Drop at the heel, for instance is 3” to 4” that really changes the look and feel of a rifle…

What Kibler goes with we can only speculate…but stock drop, trigger guard and method of attachment, breech appearance etc can be a very wide range….until the Sam rifles with the slant breech and signature scroll guard etc…1848 gold rush guns is what I call em.

Full stock or half stock on this gun?

Thank you for posting these pics, have not seen them before.

 

[longcruise]

And yet Hawken rifles were being made in the 1820’s

There has been found a Hawken, I think in the Smitty, that is clearly a converted flintlock.

Good post Patched.
It seems that the Hanson's would be astute enough that if there was a no doubt conversion Hawken that they would consider it a flintlock.

I think the Hanson documentation/book precedes the Smitty discovery.

 

[Rock Home Isle]

I’m convinced that there is a tree somewhere in the Rocky Mountains, with a 1820’s era flintlock Hawken leaning against it. Right where it was left, 205 years ago.

 

[SDSmlf]

Are there images available yet for this gun? Will it be flintlock or percussion?

It would be truly awesome, if it could be had as either a percussion or a flintlock

There has been found a Hawken, I think in the Smitty, that is clearly a converted flintlock.
I think the Hanson documentation/book precedes the Smitty discovery.

I’m convinced that there is a tree somewhere in the Rocky Mountains, with a 1820’s era flintlock Hawken leaning against it. Right where it was left, 205 years ago.

I always wondered why actual original Hawken Brothers’ guns never seem to be found in flintlock. Maybe post some verifiable photographs?

 

[Smokey Plainsman]

I would love to see an English-style half stock percussion fowler from Kibler. Make it in an 8 bore (.83 caliber) and I’d be all ears.