Kibler kits

[Kevin]

Mike's right on this, the frizzen covering the touchhole works best in the field. Just tried out his old fowler on a few clays,
Ignition like a modern over and under. The man knows his stuff.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Mike's right on this, the frizzen covering the touchhole works best in the field. Just tried out his old fowler on a few clays,
Ignition like a modern over and under. The man knows his stuff.

DAMNED STRAIGHT!

 

[david w]

Tests conducted in controlled environments with controlled parameters will give vastly different results than actual field use where there are no controls on environments or parameters.

How about ballistics tests of ammunition under controlled conditions and parameters? Do you, or have you ever purchased ammunition based on the penetration depth of 9mm?

 

[S.Kenton]

How about ballistics tests of ammunition under controlled conditions and parameters? Do you, or have you ever purchased ammunition based on the penetration depth of 9mm?

We’re talking about a whole different ballgame, apples to oranges if you would. Besides that, we are not to discuss modern cartridges on this forum. With that being said, what Mike is saying holds true in my experience.. simply put; wether the touch hole is located low or high, when putting primer powder in the pan, I put enough in that I don’t cover the touch hole. He puts his touch holes high enough so that this can’t happen in normal real life hunting conditions. I’ve never owned one of his creations, but I’ve seen them in action at my club and the ignition is super fast…. I’d say he knows what he’s doing…

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

How about ballistics tests of ammunition under controlled conditions and parameters? Do you, or have you ever purchased ammunition based on the penetration depth of 9mm?

UH...no? Why would I care?

 

[robertwnbrg]

This notion that the touch hole should be at the sunset position is total nonsense. This has been disproven by Larry Pletcher and his computerized touch hole ignition timing tests. There was no huge difference between low in the pan and higher. I do recall seeing that lower in the pan was maybe 10% faster ignition time on average. Also when you look at originals the hole is generally low in the pan. Point being, at some time this myth got started and these are slow to die. Ignition is very good where we place our touch holes. No need to worry or over think

 

[Ballshooter]

Mine seems perfect and has very fast ignition. Jim's kits are quality through and through. You won't find a better kit for the price.

 

[david w]

Mine seems perfect and has very fast ignition. Jim's kits are quality through and through. You won't find a better kit for the price.

His locks cost $300, but worth it!

 

[Ballshooter]

His locks cost $300, but worth it!

Yes, they are worth it and worth every penny. I shoot in all kinds of NW weather rain, sleet, snow sometimes all three in one day. I have yet to not have it ignite the charge.

 

[BradCayton]

I and one of my sons each have a Kibler SMR in 45 caliber. I own several flintlocks and Jim Kibler's SMR locks are the fastest and the flints last longer than any of them, including a Chambers Issac Haines I put together quite a few years ago. I'm very impressed with Kiblers locks

 

[TDM]

They are wonderful for sure.

 

[Larry Pletcher]

I appreciate Jim's remarks about the testing he mentioned about vent location. The location of the vent has been much discussed a number of forums. At Friendship many years ago Gary Brumfield mentioned a Spanish military arm that he and Wallace Gusler noticed had a low vent location. I told him that I could experiment with high/low vent timing.
The Link below goes to a 6 part set of experiments that deal with this called "Pan Vent Experiments". I encourage you to read all the parts, but part 6 deals specifically with high/low vent positions. In all of these many trials were done and variables (including spark production) were dealt with. Other parts involve location of the priming powder in the pan and amounts of prime used.

https://www.blackpowdermag.com/pan-vent-experiments-an-introduction/
Regards,
Pletch