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tlallijr

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I'm building my first knife, it's a 'trap spring' style. So far I straightened out the spring by heating it red and shaped the blade and put an edge on it. My question is do I need to do anything to the blade before I attach the handles with rivets? Here's where I'm at with it
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By heating it red, you made it soft. It will still cut, but not for long before re-sharpening. To correct this, you will need to harden and temper the blade. I have to leave on an errand now, but will go through that with you in a few hours from now if you wish.
 
Ideally, you need a heat source that will bring the blade up to red-orange color in dim light. Or, one or two full shades of red above non-magnetic. The heat needs to be even for best results, but this is only critical for the blade, and not necessary for the tang section. Be careful to not over heat, especially the point. If it goes to yellow, consider it screwed. Once up to the desired heat, quench in very warm canola oil, or other cooking oil until you can touch it bare handed without getting burned. As soon as it goes is in the quench, move it fore and aft, or up and down, but never side ways. Quenching point down reduces warping, but it will work fine enough edge first, and you can even quench only the edge, but I think you will get better results with a full quench. Then temper immediately at 400° for two one hour tempers. Use a separate oven baking thermometer, and have the oven pre-heated if possible. You will get a better temper if the blade is covered with dry sand to reduce temp fluctuations when the oven cycles. Quench in water after each temper heat.
Now, since we do not know what your heat did to the steel when you straightened the spring, you might want to heat cycle the blade before the hardening process. This will guarantee small grain size, and reduce any stresses that are probably present, and reduce warping. First heat to bright red-orange, while taking care with the point, and let air cool. Then heat to low red orange and air cool. Then to just as it goes a tad more than non-magnetic and air cool. Then do 2 or 3 dull red, below non-magnetic heats air cooling between. Then it should be ready to harden and temper, and should make a fine blade for you.
 
Another thing to keep in mind before you harden your blade is edge bevels. A lot of first time knife makers don't cut the edge back far enough , you want your cross section to look like # 2 or 3 , not 1. That will make your knife sharpen easer and cut better.
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Longrifle 78, Thanks for the picture. I should be ok there because I did a 20 degree grind then finished the edge with a 30 degree....and it's hair popping sharp. My next question is should I harden and temper with the blade sharp?
 
I would suggest you grind the edge off until it is about .020 thick, or even a tad more. Thin edges encourage edge warp. It may come out looking like a snake, and you will lose the carbon in the edge anyway being so thin. You can carefully re-grind after the heat treat is finished.
 
Wick Ellerbe said:
I would suggest you grind the edge off until it is about .020 thick, or even a tad more. Thin edges encourage edge warp. It may come out looking like a snake, and you will lose the carbon in the edge anyway being so thin. You can carefully re-grind after the heat treat is finished.


Sage advice. I wish I'd known to do that years ago, it would have saved me some serious grief. Don't do a final sharpen 'till it has gone through the heat treat sequence. !!
 
That seems most common with the simple 10XX steels. I've never had it happen with 01. I take 01 down to about .010 at the edge without any warping, and I use a decarb preventive coating.
 
And, obviously don't over heat the tempered blade during the re-sharpen operation.
 
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