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bender20

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Have just gotten my feet wet with black powder specifically flintlocks. Wondering what you guys would do differently knowing what you know now or wished someone would have told you?

My experience is limited to a tc hawken. I have taken 3 deer with it so far and had the privilege of shooting a kit gun that was well built and loved it. Looking to build a couple of my own.

Not really looking for anything in particular just some things you wished you would have know or done differently.
 
Well! I can tell you this....
When I started shooting the old boys told me to wear my ear plugs to which I replied "the noise don't bother my ears"...I wish I had heeded their warning.

When I first started the old boys always cleaned their gun completely before they left the bench....It took me a lot of years to learn the value in their wisdom....but now I always clean my gun before I come home.

Take full advantage of your youth and enjoy it.....it fades quickly.
 
The only thing I can say I would have done differently is A) Get on a place like this several years sooner, or with a club to learn and B) bought me a good flinter when I had the disposable money to do it!
 
Don't be afraid to make mistakes when you're operating outside your comfort zone.

Ask for help because these old timers have loads of wisdom.

Find a friend you think might be interested, then bring him.
 
shotgunner87 said:
Have just gotten my feet wet with black powder specifically flintlocks. Wondering what you guys would do differently knowing what you know now or wished someone would have told you?

Not really looking for anything in particular just some things you wished you would have know or done differently.

I wish I would have went the Hot Rod route 30 years ago. I wish I would have started making my own bullets sooner.
 
I have used this rule all my life and it was taught me by my dad.
MEASURE TWICE, CUT ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The most useful time spent on any project is to get some good drawing paper sit down and work through each detail with notes of what you want to accomplish.
This will line you out with details to follow in sequential order which will make a better final outcome.
You probably will alter some things along the way but you won't make as many bone headed mistakes if you first think it through systematically.
Now, I need to take my own advise more often!!!!!!!!!!
:rotf: :rotf:
 
I would have bought a quality commercial blackpowder gun (i.e. Pedersoli) rather than a custom ripoff from TVM.
 
The old saying" If I would have known I was going to live this long, I would have taken better care of Myself!". is echoing true these Days. I have Two Customs , one Flinter and a Caplock, that I wont won`t take Hunting `cause anymore I stumble around the Woods like a drunken` Sailor ! But, I have a Lyman Trade Rifle that I am pretty sure could stand up to a tumble or two ??
 
I wouldn't have bought so many modern guns! Spent alot of money on guns and the ammo to feed them.

Fell in love with muzzleloaders and BP shooting way to late in life!

Ended up selling all them except for my home protection firearm. It help fund my collection of muzzleloaders that I have now.

Oh Well, Should have Could have! :idunno:

Respectfully, Cowboy :hatsoff:
 
shotgunner87 said:
Not really looking for anything in particular just some things you wished you would have know or done differently.
I've been thinking about this subject a lot lately. And I've reached the conclusion that it wouldn't have made a hill of beans worth of difference what decision I had made about the details of the small stuff. (And it's mostly all small stuff.) I'd still be where I am today.
 
I guess I am one lucky shooter, but I would not change a thing. I have never had lots of $ to spend so I have spent LOTS of research time rather than money on any project I have undertaken. I only have only one ML, a TC .50 kit that cost me 75$ I built about 40 years ago. There was not much ml info. handy then, but my build took 100 hours to finish. The first shot I fired (my log says) was dead center at 65 yd. It is my favorite rifle for elk, deer, turkey, squirrels, ground hogs------ and anything else. There is lots of good stuff on here, BUT a lot of BS also. DO LOTS OF RESEARCH in the proper places.
 
Contact your local BP group and get out and shoot with them for a while and extract as much info from them as you can. Remember there are no stupid questions....Good luck
 
Life's a learning experience. I can't say I'd change a thing. Maybe kept my first ML rifle from 1970-71, but I swapped it for a 1958 Ford truck, which I needed back then, so maybe not too bad a deal.

I guess I wish I'd kept my .45 TC Hawken, but maybe not. Wish I'd shot more often.
 
Wish I could have got into this at your age, but with 2 kids a house to build and 2 jobs there just was not time(or money). This reminded me of one of my Dad's sayings, "I don't know as I would do much different...but I'd do a hell of a lot more of it".
 
:haha:

Well what is available now, wasn't available back in the 1980's so even with my current knowledge, I wouldn't be able to take advantage of what I know now.

Since you've mastered a TC Hawken Flinter, you will probably really enjoy a rifle with an even better lock and trigger.

The only thing I'd suggest is first having a rifle assembled "in the white"....which is akin to what I first learned as the form of a "kit"...., or at least have the builder install a properly breeched barrel into the stock, as well as the lock and trigger...., as a first project for anybody who hasn't fitted metal to wood. Get Dixon's book on building a muzzleloader, and fit the rest of the metal parts by hand. If that goes well, then try an all parts kit.

Before you get into building from a set of parts, and Before You Start Carving..., do some reading and studying of the rifle types and extant copies. There are two fundamental mistakes that I often see, even on expensive, ornately carved rifles. Quite frankly, IF you can't correct these two fundamentals, you shouldn't be trying to carve a stock, and should not be charging more than $100 over the price of the parts - these two mistakes being present. (imho)

The first is a poor lock to stock fit in the mortise. Too many times I've seen consigned guns priced at say $2000 or more, and in the closeups of the locks you can see a gouge where the lock plate meets the wood, or worse, a gap to the interior of the mortise. :nono:

The second, is the rear of the lock mortise. I've seen obviously preshaped stocks, where the builder failed to shape the back of the lock mortise-flat to match the lock. They leave an extended bit of a < in the wood, which is as it came from the supplier. They are in too much of a hurry to get to the carving, they aren't completing the basics...then they charge an arm or a leg for the rifle. :nono:

Anyway, that's what I'd do when it comes to getting into rifle building, "knowing what I know now".

LD
 
Most of the time when raising 5 kids, I worked 2 jobs and went hunting or fishing on weekends and "thought" I didn't have time to attend the various gunbuilding seminars...now wish that I had. The gunbuilding eventually progressed, but would have been faster and easier by attending a few of these seminars.....Fred
 
I haven't and don't build. Just starting to do a few repairs.

Re shooting:
Find a couple of GOOD flintlock shooters to spend time with (Too many "experienced" shooters not just flint shooters in 10 years got one month of experience 120 times). Listen and learn. Go to matches where the winners are going to be and get beat - you'll learn more and learn it faster. I was lucky enough to learn from Tom Gillman and others pretty early. Plus there are great people in this sport just to be around.

Wear EYE AND EAR PROTECTION - ALWAYS.

Use quality barrels and locks.

Dry fire. A lot.

Develop a routine, whether shooting from bag or bench, that is quick and efficient that also prevents dry balling, short starting or other aw shӢӢ issues.
TC
 
when i was 4 to 7 years old, my father and uncles would buy original Berks County long rifles at farm auctions for $15 to 25 dollars. I would have kept each and every one. I know now that the one farm auction we attended and where my Dad purchased a long rifle, was less than 2 miles from the site of Jacob Angstadt's shop 150 years earlier. That rifle was stolen during my Grandfather's funeral service.
 
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