L& R Manton Lock

[Robby]

I never use the word 'manure' but it sure does show up a lot in my posting's!
Robby

Well, I got called out for this, so I figure if one guy misinterprets my posting, there may be dozens. Lemme s'plain, I was referencing Comfortably_Numb wondering where the word 'manure' came from in his post. I too have wondered that many times and figuring that the word sh** would not be allowable, use the word cra* in its' place, figuring that would be an acceptable substitute. I guess not, so someone or some program removes my word and inserts 'manure'.
There was no insult intended toward anyone or anything, just a little humor.
Robby

 

[longcruise]

Some crap is unavoidable.

 

[longcruise]

I get it now, I typed c$%p

 

[pamtnman]

Pulled this out of the bag last week to disassemble and discovered the sear is below the lock plate. As Comfortably_Numb said grind it off, which I did. Have got a little more inletting to do before I can test try it. Looks like it will require a minimal amount of polishing, no drag marks from the main spring or the frizzen spring on the lock plate, tumbler is leaving a drag mark on the plate. Not for sure who the lock maker is, it is a TOTW Type C Fusil. Has a D and other marks stamped on the inside. Davis lock??? Quality of locks need to improve.

“D” is usually RE Davis. And I admire people who can do the work necessary to make mechanical objects achieve their highest and best purpose

 

[Eterry]

The software used here catches many inappropriate words and changes them. Or we get a complaint and we change it.

This IS a Family Friendly site.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Well, I got called out for this, so I figure if one guy misinterprets my posting, there may be dozens. Lemme s'plain, I was referencing Comfortably_Numb wondering where the word 'manure' came from in his post. I too have wondered that many times and figuring that the word sh** would not be allowable, use the word cra* in its' place, figuring that would be an acceptable substitute. I guess not, so someone or some program removes my word and inserts 'manure'.
There was no insult intended toward anyone or anything, just a little humor.
Robby

The software used here catches many inappropriate words and changes them. Or we get a complaint and we change it.

This IS a Family Friendly site.

I don't care for children.

 

[Eterry]

I don't care for children.

Many people don't like the speed limit, but they serve a purpose.
This is a privately owned forum, the original owners set up the rules and guidelines, and the new owners kept them in place.

 

[rickpa]

Just wondering if "fecal material" would be better.

 

[Eterry]

This thread is about the L&R Manton lock. If it continues to be a discussion about language it will be closed.

 

[pamtnman]

This thread is about the L&R Manton lock. If it continues to be a discussion about language it will be closed.

Please don't allow the heckler's veto to ruin a discussion that is benefiting me and other muzzleloading fans. That is not fair. Please keep this discussion open and the problematic people away from it.

 

[longcruise]

Please don't allow the heckler's veto to ruin a discussion that is benefiting me and other muzzleloading fans. That is not fair. Please keep this discussion open and the problematic people away from it.

Speaking as one of the "problematics" I agree

 

[oldwood]

Have used the Manton lock above a number of times , and it performs well. Currently have it on my favorite .40 cal. hunting rifle. I would recommend the lock for any gun the size might be needed on. ..............oldwood

 

[pamtnman]

Have used the Manton lock above a number of times , and it performs well. Currently have it on my favorite .40 cal. hunting rifle. I would recommend the lock for any gun the size might be needed on. ..............oldwood

Which maker? L&R or Davis? What kind of work went into getting the lock up to speed?

 

[pamtnman]

Speaking as one of the "problematics" I agree

Thx. Sometimes we all just need to take a break from the keyboard. I’m excited about building the flintlock British Sporting Rifle and collecting information on the lock is probably the most important step. The big Davis Germanic lock looked ok to my eyes, but it’s so big that the rifle will lose its streamlined shape if it’s put in. Has to be the Manton style or the Late Ketland style. Those two both fit the period and the style, historically correct and physically correct.

 

[GREENSWLDE]

That little blob of manure on the bottom of the frizzen does nothing except collect fouling. They aren't historically correct either. I grind them off.

Your Lump(OF MANURE) was Actually designed in by John Manton and Copied by Joe (Big court battle over patents.May have been the cause of Joe's eventual Bancrupcy.) Photos taken from Patent drawings and from 1825/6 guns. I have used Joe's pattern on several lock-- VERY FAST as the blind clears priming powder close to the touch hole. OLD DOG..

 

[GREENSWLDE]

Your Lump(OF MANURE) was Actually designed in by John Manton and Copied by Joe (Big court battle over patents.May have been the cause of Joe's eventual Bancrupcy.) Photos taken from Patent drawings and from 1825/6 guns. I have used Joe's pattern on several lock-- VERY FAST as the blind clears priming powder close to the touch hole. OLD DOG..

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Oh good golly , I wasn't talking about Manton's V pans......totally different design than what they try to pass today.
I have owned a gun with Manton's V pan and it worked quite well.

 

[GREENSWLDE]

I've read opinions and experiences both ways. Both my guns have older style locks and one doesn't even have a good frizzen to pan fit, both have given me no trouble in the rain with good practices on my part.
I have read some say that the "waterproof pan" design works.
I have also read others that say the wedge piece at the bottom ofnthe frizzen that fits into the pan,
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simply helps channel water into the pan. This seems logical to me, but, of one follows the usual practices many of us use when hunting in wet weather, I should think it wouldn't matter.

Dear Sir,
I would respectfully point out that if you peruse your Ilustration You may see that the edges of the priming pan are bevelled down wards at the outside and the hammer is also made to coinside with this bevel making an almost air tight(not only Water tight) seal, draining water away from the pan not inducing it. This Manton Patent is as near rainproof as possible to atchive as will be seen if a picture is taken (in Close-Up with the hammer closed) with the lock held horizontally .
Respectfully,
Your Most obedient & humble aquaintance,
"Knit-picking" OLD DOG.

 

[pamtnman]

Your Lump(OF MANURE) was Actually designed in by John Manton and Copied by Joe (Big court battle over patents.May have been the cause of Joe's eventual Bancrupcy.) Photos taken from Patent drawings and from 1825/6 guns. I have used Joe's pattern on several lock-- VERY FAST as the blind clears priming powder close to the touch hole. OLD DOG..

Someone here recently sent me pictures of this exact Manton lock being reproduced by hand in Australia. I gotta say it looks unbelievably cool. I don’t think Manton made anything that was not perfect. Thank you very much for posting these photos, Green

 

[GREENSWLDE]

Just wanted to post about the new L&R Manton lock I received from Muzzle Loader Building Supply. When researching this lock I was not able to find much and what I found was not very positive. Basically rough cast - no finishing etc.
Below are the pictures fresh from the box. It sparks really well right out of the box and I feel it will work well after polishing. Once the pistol is complete I can give a much better review.
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and one very blurry still of it firing:
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Does this lock look a little famillar. It's from an 1785/95 Twig Duck gun Breech convertion by Issac Walker in1805 (Signed) later percussioned. O.D.

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Does this lock look a little familiar. From a TWIGG 10b Duck gun of 1785/95,Patent Breech converted in1805 by Issac Walker(signed) later percussioned. O.D.