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flinch said:
could you give me the address of the guy who jug choked it? flinch

Lowell Tennyson
209 E Lotte St.
Blue Grass IA. 52726
563-381-3711
[email protected]

Mine was a new Green Mountain .62cal/.20ga Flint smoothbore (smooth rifle)...he asked me to remove the rear sight and the under-rib, sent it to him via UPS with a $60 money order, got it done and back in about two weeks.
 
I remember those Alcan protectors. In fact I threw away about 900 of the 16 gauges when I moved from Califony. A couple of rectangles joined by a bore sized circle. I think I'll try cuttin' some out, they gotta work better'n them post it notes I tried last spring. :redface:
 
Dave K said:
Everyone should try it, but for some reason it didn't work for me. The shot, just became a slug instead of a pattern.

If you decide to give it another go, please try perforating the paper down the sides with a straight pin...

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This will allow heavy paper to separate and open up when fired but still retain enough stability not to come apart in your possible's bag...
 
Guys: You have to use at minimum a overpowder wad, so that gases are sealed behind even this package, and more importantly, the shot leaves the barrel at the same time. I like using a smaller gauged overshot card in the bottom of my paper shotcup to give a smooth, hard surface to push the back end of the shot column as it leaves the barrel. The overpowder wad keeps the gases from blowing through the shot column, or escaping to one side or another as the shot leaves the muzzle, thereby destroying the pattern, but doing so differently with each shot fired, so that you can't learn much at all from examining patterns on a pattern board.

A final thought we should all consider: modern shotgun shells and components are the cumulative result of all the years of research done, first with black powder muzzle loading shotguns, later, with black powder cartridge guns, and now with smokeless powder cartridge guns. If it works in a modern gun, it probably will work in a muzzle loader, PROVIDED the demensions of components are correct for the actual barrel size. If you can find the older paper hulls used up until about 1955, and examine the fiberwads, and fillers, and shotcups, like the old Alcan cup that has been discussed, you get a pretty good idea of what will work in your muzzle loader. New products come along, like styrofoam, which may improve performance, and should be considered and tried, but the older components also work. There is almost no reason to attempt to re-invent the wheel.

When working up loads for my 20 ga. fowler, I found that the loads that gave the best patterns were the same loads used in modern 20 ga. shotgun shells. I was not surprised.
 
Slamfire said:
I remember those Alcan protectors. In fact I threw away about 900 of the 16 gauges when I moved from Califony. A couple of rectangles joined by a bore sized circle. I think I'll try cuttin' some out, they gotta work better'n them post it notes I tried last spring. :redface:

Unlike some folks, I also have not had CONSISTENT results with any shot cartridges I've tried so far, but I have with these and another type of card-stock shotcup I've worked up that is kind of like steel/tungsten shotcup I've seen that had overlapping petals.

As I mentioned, if you're using something light just to cut down on bore scrub, you'll likely not have to do anything to the base - just use the rectangle as-is and fold the corners/peaks under. If you do have to fuss with the base, you can still probably get away with just making the cuts at the base of the petals, ranther than making the full cutouts. Rather than making them straight across, like the base of the ALCAN petals, I angle the cuts in slightly towards the center when using card stock - it makes for a wider, hence stronger, hinge (see the diagonal lines on that botched ascii-graphics diagram). When you go to load them, wrap the petals in first, then the base up over them. It may help if you round the edge of the end of the "former" or "wad starter", and/or if you pre-shape them and fold the base up, etc., then open them out again for storage.

Hmm.. about time to get back to work. Good luck.

Joel
 
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