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White Oak

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What do you prefer to wrap your flints in in the jaws of the hammer. Most pics I see are leather wrapped. Mine came that way from the previous owner. I read the article here on flintlock shooting and it recommended lead. Brought up some points that made sense to me. If you like lead where do you find it thin enough to wrap around the flint? Thought about just trying to pour a strip myself.
What is your preference as far as flints go and who is your supplier? I got a bag of assorted flints with my gun. Honestly I wouldn't know good from bad. :idunno:
Thanks,
Ed
 
I prefer leather, and thick enough to compress around the flint.

Black English or French Amber flints, no stinkin' cut agates. Chert didn't work as well as flint for me.
 
Leather grips better and holds. Lead doesn't grip well and flint can/will slip and sometimes get lost.
Some claim the heavier lead will alter the characteristics of the falling hammer and can even damage the lock.
I have fussed with lead, not worth the bother. Use leather.
 
This is a topic that we've beaten well into the ditch over the years and really shows how everyone has their own way of doing things.

I took a week long lock building class from Jim Chambers a few years back and one of the little things he was adamant about was using leather and not lead to hold your flint. I can't really remember all his reasons, but so be it, good enough for me.

But whatever works for you is most likely the best way.

Rio
 
you have opened, I suspect unwittingly and certainly without malice, a huge can of worms, over which ink in the 55 gallon drum has been spent. (and probably some blood)

some claim that using lead is (to borrow from Faulkner) anathema and apotheosis, and some claim it to be the panacea of all things black powder. the truth, as revealed by Mr. Pletch's most excellent high speed photographs, is probably somewhere in the middle.

you should be aware that some lock makers won't honor the warranty if they determine that you are using lead wraps (I have no idea how they figure this out - but lockmakers are smarter than I by a good bit).

just out of curiosity, I weighed a bunch of 3/4 inch French agate flints, and there was enough variation in the weights so that a smaller/lighter flint with a lead wrap weighed only slightly more than a bigger/heavier flint with a leather wrap, so I don't see how it would ruin the lock, but again, that's just my opinion.

having said all that, I squished some forty caliber round balls in my vise until they were flat and big enough to go around the flint, then I wrapped up the flint and trimmed away the excess. tighten them down better than finger tight, and let the flint strike the frizzen under the pressure of the mainspring (in other words, 'dry fire' the lock, but with the frizzen closed and nothing in the pan). then go ahead and retighten the ****. the action of striking the frizzen will set the stone in the lead, and when you retighten everything, you should be all set. when the flint becomes dull and has to be re- knapped, you'll need to repeat this process.

the theoretical advantage of lead over leather is this: leather (say the proponents of lead) will allow the flint to slightly rebound, which will set up a vibration along the surface of the frizzen and this will result in poor sparks and a washboarded frizzen and the resultant early death of flints. I have seen this in cheap locks with soft frizzens. well make locks, with properly hardened frizzen, and properly set flints do not, in my opinion, suffer any such problems. ( again, just my opinion)

if you opt for leather, I would use thin leather, and wet it before you put the flint into it. tighten the **** as tight as you reasonably can (no cosmonaut stuff) and when the leather dries, retighten it and you should be all set.

in either case, what you want is a wrap which will hold your flint tight and square in the jaws of the **** as it strikes the frizzen, makes the sparks, and fires the pan.

some folks say that you will see a big difference if you try lead vs. leather in a darkened room, but human physiology can be trumped by reality - try staring at something green and then looking at a blank white wall - you'll see the same thing, but not green.

so, there's lead vs. leather

just one guy's opinion: free and no doubt well worth the price.

my best advice: try both and go with what works best for you, and don't get too upset about free advice.

make good smoke!
 
That was a really well written summary and answered the question well for me as I have just read an article declaring that lead was the only way to go. I think I will stick with leather.

Thankyou.
 
I've tried both over the years. I prefer leather. Just got a new .54 Blue Ridge rifle last week that came with a lead-held flint. Nice flint, too! Knapped black flint, reminiscent of the English flints I used to order from DGW. Anyway, it threw the flint on the third shot, much to my disgust. I cut a scrap from a piece of 3oz. leather for it out in the field and shot the rest of the day with neither adjustment or knapping. :thumbsup:
 
Believe the lead version was mostly a military thing during the day. Know the British issued flints pre-wrapped with sort of an "H" shaped piece of sheet lead for Besses and Bakers. May have been easier for their ordnance to deal with considering the numbers involved but have never really found it practical with standard sized locks.
 
J. Williams said:
I've tried both over the years. I prefer leather.
I think people would learn a lot more if they tried things like this themselves, especially when it's so easy to do. They're going to get negative responses from both camps, which will tell them nothing about how each wrap will work on their particular gun.
 
Wes/Tex said:
May have been easier for their ordnance to deal with

EXACTLY!!! Molded lead is much more conducive to standardized manufacture than leather, which is exactly why (I suspect) my mass-produced Italian longrifle came fitted with lead. :wink:
 
I have tried both and I don't care for lead because it just gave me too much trouble keeping the flint tight in the jaws. Leather just worked better for me.
 
White Oak said:
What do you prefer to wrap your flints in in the jaws of the hammer. Most pics I see are leather wrapped. Mine came that way from the previous owner. I read the article here on flintlock shooting and it recommended lead. Brought up some points that made sense to me. If you like lead where do you find it thin enough to wrap around the flint? Thought about just trying to pour a strip myself.
What is your preference as far as flints go and who is your supplier? I got a bag of assorted flints with my gun. Honestly I wouldn't know good from bad. :idunno:
Thanks,
Ed

Lead puts excess stress on the lock parts.
Leather actually works far better. Requires less pressure to secure the flint.

Dan
 
Leather -- it compresses and conforms to the flint and jaws in my opinion where lead is not supple.
 
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