Legal Muzzleloader WA State?

[chep]

I am thinking about buying my first muzzleloader to hunt turkeys and large game.

According to the regs in our state I was wondering if this one would be legal?
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Help the helpless :grin:

Regulations:

Muzzleloaders
(a) It is illegal to carry or possess any
firearm during special muzzleloading
seasons which does not meet the
following specification for muzzleloader:
Is loaded from the muzzle
and uses black powder or a black
powder substitute as recommended
by the manufacturer for use in muzzleloading
firearms. Has a single or
double barrel of at least 20 inches,
rifled or smoothbore. Ignition is to be
wheellock, match-lock, flintlock, or
percussion using original style percussion
caps that fit on the nipple
and are exposed to the elements.
Shot shell and 209 primers are not
legal. Sights must be open, peep, or
of other open sight design.
Telescopic sights or sights containing
glass are prohibited. Except
hunters with disabilities who meet
the definition of being visually
impaired in WAC 232-12-828 may
receive a special use permit that
would allow the use of scopes or
other visual aids. Contact the
Department’s ADA coordinator for
further information. Fiber optic sights
are legal. It is unlawful to have any
electrical device or equipment
attached to a muzzleloading firearm
while hunting.
(b) A muzzleloading firearm used for
deer must fire a single, non-jacketed
lead projectile of nominal 40 caliber or
larger except that buckshot size #1 or
larger, may be used in a smoothbore
of 60 caliber or larger.
(c) A muzzleloading firearm used for
all other big game must fire a single,
non-jacketed lead projectile of
nominal 50 caliber or larger, or fire a
single, non-jacketed lead projectile of
at least 170 grains.
(d) Muzzleloader hunters can carry a
handgun designed to be charged with
black powder only. It is NOT legal for
hunting or dispatching big game.
(e) Muzzleloader hunters may lawfully
hunt game birds with a muzzleloader
shotgun.

 

[Rebel]

It would be for deer and elk but not for turkeys. You need a smoothbore to hunt turkeys. You could get a smoothbore and use it for all your hunting.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

First off, Ive lived here since 65, and have never seen a turkey in the wild. Well at least on the rainy side where we live.

Secondly, that abomination you call a muzzleload turned my tummy so I had to run for the Tums.

 

[chep]

First off, Ive lived here since 65, and have never seen a turkey in the wild. Well at least on the rainy side where we live.

Secondly, that abomination you call a muzzleload turned my tummy so I had to run for the Tums.

I've seen turkeys and people are baggin em every year. Just cuz you don't see them doesn't mean you are an authority on hunting them. You might try walking away from your car once in a while.

I must dutifully inform you that it was a pleasure to spoil your dinner.

I can tell that you are part of the people's republic. :blah: Are you on Maria Cantwell's payroll for posting here?

 

[RDavidP]

You know, comments like that do more to turn people away from our sport than to attract them. I started off with a gun that looked like that. It opened the door for me, and I now am ordering a Track of the Wolf kit. Maybe this will open the door for him.

Atleast he is looking at a more traditional style instead of an in-line, but sounds like WA did it right. No in-line for muzzleloading season.

 

[shmrck1]

Settle down guys or I see this topic being
locked.:surrender:IMO
snake-eyes

 

[Pork Chop]

I can understand wanting to have a traditional rifle. I really can. I cannot understand disparaging someone that is looking at the Firestorm. Consider it a gateway rifle - it may lead to the traditional rifle!

 

[KHickam]

Yes, it is legal - I see the regs haven't changed much - and boy does that do my heart good. I moved away from WA in 2005 - but I sure miss home.

At least I will get up there to hunt chukar in October this year - I hope I have a nice smoothbore muzzleloader to do it with.

As to turkey's they are all over the state - I have seen them even in around Yakima - they only used be up around Springdale before. :thumbsup:

 

[Johnny Tremain]

I've seen turkeys and people are baggin em every year. Just cuz you don't see them doesn't mean you are an authority on hunting them. You might try walking away from your car once in a while.

Sir, Ive been in parts of this state before there were roads. Places like Salmon La Sac and Gooseberry flats were logging roads, not like now where there are condos.

I can tell that you are part of the people's republic. :blah: Are you on Maria Cantwell's payroll for posting here?

Get a rope.....

 

[Johnny Tremain]

You know, comments like that do more to turn people away from our sport than to attract them. I started off with a gun that looked like that. It opened the door for me, and I now am ordering a Track of the Wolf kit. Maybe this will open the door for him.

Atleast he is looking at a more traditional style instead of an in-line, but sounds like WA did it right. No in-line for muzzleloading season.

For some of us, shooting isnt a sport, but a way of life. One less Yuppie with an in-line is a good thing here.

Swore this was a tradional forum, and modern stuff aint spoke here.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

I can understand wanting to have a traditional rifle. I really can. I cannot understand disparaging someone that is looking at the Firestorm. Consider it a gateway rifle - it may lead to the traditional rifle!

Go to Dixie Gun Works, and for the same money, get something that looks like a muzzleloader should.

From a guy who dont like store boughts

 

[tom hargrove]

lightin up ,the man came here for advise, not insults :shake:

 

[RDavidP]

After looking at the design of the barrel, I wonder how easy it would be to clean around the "pyramid"? The barrel is a 1 in 48, so you would have no problems using a patched round ball if WA requires lead ball only.

 

[lonedave]

Chep

Yes it is legal. I'm sure you probably will, but before you decide on a new rifle, you might look at a few used guns. If you check the top ad in the classified section, there is a used T/C .50 Renegade for what seems to be a pretty good price depending on it's condition. A gun like that can go a long way to getting you started in the sport. The Renegade is a good shooter and down the road you can get drop-in barrels for it in other calibers and twist rates if you want. Another excellent gun that is probably in the same price range as the Firestorm is the Lyman Great Plains. Read a little right here on this site and you'll see raving reviews for it. I guess my advise would be to make sure you look around a bit and keep reading here before you buy anything. By the way, we muzzleloaders really do have some of the best hunting in the State....just don't let that out!

Dave

 

[lonedave]

Chep

I posted a little too quick. It would be legal for big game but as others said, not for turkeys. It's shotguns (modern or muzzleloader) and archery only for them. I too have not seen a turkey on the west side of the state, but only because they are pretty scattered and they haven't gotten really established like on the east side of the state. That will hopefully change in the future. Good luck with your first purchase....next fall is right around the corner!

Dave

 

[AeroncaTAL]

Chep, looks to me like it probably would fit WA regulations, however, if you wanted to come south to Oregon for a muzzleloader season it would not be legal. Looks like this was designed for pellets and it has fiber optic sights. Oregon muzzleloader season is granulated powder and you cannot use fiber optic sights. Like some of the others have posted, I would look at some of the other low end muzzleloaders out there. I built a Lyman Great Plains caplock in .54 and am quite happy with it. Course it will not be good for turkeys; as Rebel said, you will need a smoothbore for that. Oh, and welcome to the forum! This is a real good group, more than willing to help you with your questions. Course there are a few... :shake:
Scott

 

[tg]

You may want to go with something of a more traditional type, as there may be a trend around to get back to the basics and the modern ML's that use pellets and fiber optics and some of the other do dads might be on the way out several states have gone this way in the past few years,and as mentioned there are uaually a lot of good used guns around, though smoothbores are harder to find in the production guns.

 

[Johnny Tremain]

lightin up ,the man came here for advise, not insults :shake:

No insults intended.

"The Muzzleloading Forum"
"Keeping Tradition Alive"

 

[JCW]

Yes, I believe it would be legal to use here.

 

[JCW]

There are a few turkeys on the wet side. Just not that many yet. I know of two flocks in N. Whatcom county near silver lake, and have seen a bird or two in Kitsap county.