Legal question

[Vaino]

You're depressing me no end...didn't know life in this country was that complicated :grin:

 

[Mike Brooks]

Do I have to have a FFL or some sort of permit to assemble and sell muzzleloading rifles and or fowlers?

If this is what the question is, then the answer is no as long as you don't build more than 50 guns in a year.

 

[Bookie]

Mike Brooks is again correct. I spoke to the BATF representative of my area on the phone after receiving a rather large and heavy yellow gov't. envelope in the mail. (I have never held an FFL or collected the 11% tax in my entire career, so I was alarmed after reading the contents.) She said: As long as you DO NOT BUILD MORE THAN 50 MUZZLE LOADERS IN A YEAR, YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM THE REGULATIONS CONCERNING FIREARM MANUFACTURING. I suggest that if you need further information, to contact the BATF rep for your area. In the past, these folks have always seemed more willing to help you comply with the legislation than to persecute you. Cheers, Bookie

 

[jderrick]

In a slightly related note, as a homebrewer I can legally brew something like 100 gallons of beer a year for personal/household use. They've set the limit high enough to let me do what I want, but low enough to get a hand on any true professionals.

100 gallons... I wonder....

 

You're depressing me no end...didn't know life in this country was that complicated :grin:

It's not. Some people's glasses are always half empty and it's always someone elses fault.

America is still the land of oppurtunity, if you're willing to work at it. That's why hard working people are sneeking across the border every day. Maybe they know something some Americans forgot?

No politics, just life.

 

Thanks Mike, I thought that was the case.

 

[TANSTAAFL]

In a slightly related note, as a homebrewer I can legally brew something like 100 gallons of beer a year for personal/household use. They've set the limit high enough to let me do what I want, but low enough to get a hand on any true professionals.

100 gallons... I wonder....

Home brewed beer is food. :rotf:

 

[Pittsburghunter]

100 gallons? What the heck are you suppose to drink the other 265 days of the year? :shocked2:

 

[Old40Rod]

In the past, these folks have always seemed more willing to help you comply with the legislation than to persecute you.

Absolutely true statement based on my experience also. These questions are best put to ATF first, then your attorney if you don't understand ATF's answer. Anything less, and you are just guessing.... Its like asking the forum to tell you what that lump on the side of your neck means :winking:

 

[renovato]

100 gallons? What the heck are you suppose to drink the other 265 days of the year? :shocked2:

Well, if you only keep 100 gallons on hand, how will they know how much you've already consumed?

 

[Henry]

In the past, these folks have always seemed more willing to help you comply with the legislation than to persecute you.... "

Quite true , I have been a civil servant for 30 years , one nice part of the job is when a business
runs smoothly and you can brag " WE did something good " :yakyak: legal actions take time and cost money .
The REAL FUN . is to hunt and nail the REAL BUM
and have your action in the newspaper the next day . There is no fun in convicting small people who are just to dumb to comply with legislations

There is one exception : when a promotion is
on the horizon , some inspectors will shoot at anything moving for a few week ! :redface:

Now , about the 100 gallons of beer , believe or not , a man was accused of selling maple syrup
mixed with glucose , as proof the inspectors seized 18 000 litres of falsified maple syrup
and the juge accepted the arguement that it was for personnal use ! :bow:

The inspectors went back to work ,
came again the next year with bills of sales
and finally nailed the guy .
:blah:

 

[Bountyhunter]

Mike and Bookie.

Thank you very much. That is the answer to the one question that I asked. I appreciate it.

I might make a gun or two a year, maybe a few knives, and I just couldnt see having to register with the Government. Nothing good comes from being a Registered Firearms Predator.

I may order me up the parts and start off on one a them Escpoeta guns.

Thanks fellas.

BC

 

[CrackStock]

(or even for an individual to build a cartridge firearm for PERSONAL use).

I think that you had better read the regs a bit more closely on that point.

CS

 

[renovato]

18,000 liters for personal use? Well, I guess our legal system isn't the only one that pulls stupid stunts. That's comical though.

 

[subknave]

(or even for an individual to build a cartridge firearm for PERSONAL use).

I think that you had better read the regs a bit more closely on that point.

CS

There are some qualifications, you can't make a machine gun without paying the tax etc but generally it is true.

From the ATF website: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#a6

(A6) Does the GCA prohibit anyone from making a handgun, shotgun or rifle? [Back]

With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semi-automatic rifle or non-sporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency.

[18 U.S.C. 922(o) and (r), 26 U.S.C. 5822, 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]

Strange but true :hmm:

 

[Bountyhunter]

Keep an eye on H.R.5005 and H.R.5092. The rules are about to change, in that the legislature is tired of what they deem as "blatant abuses by BATFE", and are taking steps, that if passed, will specifically define what BATFE can and cant do. The cant do list is the longest from what I am reading. It establishes a set of guidelines that are consistent, as opposed to ATF making up their rules as they go along.

Dont want to get into politics, but this is verifiable with search.

 

[CrackStock]

Actually, I think that such issues should be resolved plainly rather than permitting some bureaucrat to define what is permitted and what is not. It is good news to have such matters out in the open and remove confusion and mystery from them.

I do not see that as political, but rather common sense and fair play.

CS

 

[subknave]

Actually, I think that such issues should be resolved plainly rather than permitting some bureaucrat to define what is permitted and what is not. It is good news to have such matters out in the open and remove confusion and mystery from them.

I do not see that as political, but rather common sense and fair play.

CS

I couldn't agree more. A simple question such as was originally poised should have had a simple answer but the legal landscape of making and owning firearms and what is considered a firearm has become so layered and confusing that simple answers can be hard to find.

 

[Zonie]

Well, I think the answer to the original post has been given.
Talk of the BATF and laws governing them really isn't quite in line with the idea behind having the Builders Bench Forum...so....if there is any more information about building Black Powder MUZZLELOADERS, feel free to post it.

zonie