Loading from flask to barrel

[pargent]

Agree with your last post by the way, these things have been around a long time so what worked safely back then will do so now , by adding more steps into a simple process will increase the chance of mistakes A LOT .

 

Rules are rules but at times they don't make a whole lot of sense.
The pre-measured spouts on flasks were designed to throw powder charges into revolver cylinders, they were not designed to be funnels for a second powder measure.
The only trouble one will ever have with hot embers is when wadding of some kind is used. Mike D.

I agree and think this is just another example of over-cautious, nanny state nonsense that seems to permeate the shooting sports. Too much blindly obeying rules and not enough independent thinking.

 

[crockett]

As said, this has been kicked around a lot. Those that argue to use a measure seem to keep gravitating towards proof by showing examples of other type firearms, such as a single shot rifle or pistol and of course these guns have a lot of fouling loaded in rifling and pose a real threat, not really like the clean chamber of a percussion revolver. The numbers have been crunched,millions of rounds fired since the re-birth of shooting PERCUSSION CAP AND BALL REVOLVERS and to my knowledge there have been no accidents. I admit, that nowadays a lot of folks load these guns using a measure so the number of rounds fired by loading from a flask is unknown but it must still be in the millions.
Years ago black powder was used and nearly everyone put lube (Crisco) over the ball. Black powder burnt up pretty well and there was nothing else left. Today a lot of folks used felt wads between powder and ball, paper cartridges, sunstitute powders where embers could get loaded in the hole between chamber and nipple. How this effects safety is sort of unknown. I've seen residue of paper cartridges left in a bore and they could easily hold an ember.
So those are pretty much the facts as I see them. The peril is certainly not equal to doing the same thing with a long arm. You have to decide for yourself. In my own situation when this idea first started about using a measure I thought it was ridiculous but whenever I loaded up the thing was in my head and after a while I figured what's the big hurry. So, using a measure guarantees no problem of blowing up a flask.

 

[Rifleman1776]

The pre-measured spouts on flasks were designed to throw powder charges into revolver cylinders

True. But your comment is incomplete.
You should have included...."in battle".
Speed and firepower is essential in warfare. Safety considerations fall far behind the military objective.
In sport shooting safety is the number one consideration.
I have seen an ember cook off a round more than ten minutes after reloading.
Never pour directly from a flask/hand grenade into a revolver cylinder.

 

[M. De Land]

Loose or spilled powder and open containers is the real hazard issue, particularly around flint lock rifles, in my mind. Flask use diminishes this danger and separate powder measures cause and exacerbate the problem while simultaneously promoting the illusion of a barrier between the powder magazine and ignition source. Mike D.

 

[M. De Land]

Was the cook off in a revolver used only with black powder and no wadding or filler? I personally have never even heard of a flask detonation but I have of open containers, loose powder and artillery pieces using wadding. Mike D.

 

[Poor Private]

Even that won't set off a properly operating flask as it is always a closed container,either with your finger over the spout or the spring loaded gate. One or the other is always blocking the flask powder.
Quality Black powder alone just does not leave embers smoldering after the conflagration of the charge. Any additions to it like paper or wadding of some kind does regularly leave embers smoldering. Mike D.

I totally agree with you. If you add a burning substance such as paper cartriges to the mix I have also seen embers there. 90% of the time I will load from a spring loaded flask. To me adding another measure to the mix adds 1 more thing that can go wrong. I have doe it this way also since the 70's. and have been doing civil war events since the 90's using handguns and long guns. Long guns are loaded with paper cartridges, and pistols with spring loaded flasks with the proper sized measure. I don't to matches at public ranges due to the yahoos I have seen using them. I have my own private range that I use you follow my rules or you go home.

 

[Coot]

The pre-measured spouts on flasks were designed to throw powder charges into revolver cylinders

True. But your comment is incomplete.
You should have included...."in battle".
Speed and firepower is essential in warfare. Safety considerations fall far behind the military objective.
In sport shooting safety is the number one consideration.
I have seen an ember cook off a round more than ten minutes after reloading.
Never pour directly from a flask/hand grenade into a revolver cylinder.

The comment was complete without reference to "battle". Cased civilian sets hold flasks. If speed of reloading is a factor, combustable cartridges are the best bet. My question is, how are people filling their measures?

 

[M. De Land]

Answer........... most use the can the powder came in with a screw on spout, some have spring gates , most do not.
Mine is made from a .303 case, soldered to a screw on powder can cap, with the base of the case drilled out. It has a .380 case lanyarded to the spout for a slip over cap. I almost never cap it shut between shots while in use on the shooting line. It needs a gate similar to a flask to seal it off each time without having to think about it. Mike D.

 

[AZbpBurner]

The pre-measured spouts on flasks were designed to throw powder charges into revolver cylinders

True. But your comment is incomplete.
You should have included...."in battle".
Speed and firepower is essential in warfare. Safety considerations fall far behind the military objective.
In sport shooting safety is the number one consideration.
I have seen an ember cook off a round more than ten minutes after reloading.
Never pour directly from a flask/hand grenade into a revolver cylinder.

The comment was complete without reference to "battle". Cased civilian sets hold flasks. If speed of reloading is a factor, combustable cartridges are the best bet. My question is, how are people filling their measures?

If you don't fill your measure from horn or flask & want to use it as a dipper, consider the Urine Specimen jars available to liberate from your Dr's Office. They are widemouth, heavy duty & all of mine are anti-static.

 

[M. De Land]

Dippers mean open and wide mouth containers which are far more prone to ignition than any flask ever made. The whole notion of separate powder measures being safer and causing less accidents is nonsense. Mike D.