Loads per Pound

[sse]

BTW, is there some reason this thread has not been moved by the moderator to the "Shooting Accessories" forum??

??sse??

 

[Zonie]

Any day now, the Marketing Department is going to get into this issue.
If they increase the size of the package like they have on everything else, you'll have to get a shopping cart just to carry the 2 one pound boxes your powder comes in up to the cashier!!
That's known as increasing your "sales volume"!! :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :haha:

 

[Stumpkiller]

BTW, is there some reason this thread has not been moved by the moderator to the "Shooting Accessories" forum??

I don't bring 'em in, I only toss 'em out. You think I want this going on in my sandbox? (And I do have other things to do - sometimes I even log off overnight!).

a "Grain" is a measure of weight, not volume. Our lead balls are weighed in the same grains. I pull out my RCBS 5-10 whenever I make or buy a powder measure and weigh out the volumes it tosses. I have one adjustable that is 20%OVER for FFg measurements, and another (an all-metal T/C adjustable with the sliding funnel & cap safe) that is 6% UNDER for FFg, but on for FFFg. Another T/C (the 50-120 click adjusting) is 2% over with FFg.

Test 'em with a scale. That's the only way you'll ever know.

 

[roundball]

a "Grain" is a measure of weight, not volume.

:huh:
Did you really mean to say that?
:what:

 

[Stumpkiller]

Yes. a 230 gr. lead ball takes up much less space than 230 gr. of FFg. I'm looking at my table of weights and measures and it is in the "weight" section and not the "capacity" section. 1 grain = 0.036 drams = 0.002285 ounces (apothecaries) = 0.002083 ounces (troy) = 0.042 pennyweight = "1 fat grain of wheat taken from the middle of the ear" as defined by His Royal Magesty the King in setting this unit of measure.

 

[roundball]

So, are you saying that all the powder measure(s), and load data references, powder articles, graduation scales, etc, which use the term or phrase "grains of powder" for a particular powder charge, are not actually referring to "grains volume" but that those graduations on powder measures are calibrated to represent "grains weight" on a scale??

 

[Rebel]

So, are you saying that all the powder measure(s), and load data references, powder articles, graduation scales, etc, which use the term or phrase "grains of powder" for a particular powder charge, are not actually referring to "grains volume" but that those graduations on powder measures are calibrated to represent "grains weight" on a scale??

So, how long ya gonna milk this "I don't know the right answer thing? Ya been doin' that every year for the last 50 years. :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :thumbsup:

 

[roundball]

You Rascal...I'm always interested in larnin' so thought I'd ask...but I'm pretty sure the world of Black Powder is based on volumetric measurements of BP as the standard.

Indeed, because the different types of powder substitutes invented since Black Powder have different actual 'weights' has lead Hodgdon to design (fluff up) and manufacture PyrodexRS to take up the same volume as an equivalent volume of BP, and they publish their load data to correspond to BP volumetric measurements...ie: If I use a 100grain setting on my powder measure for Goex FFg, then I also use the same 100grn setting for Pyrodex RS (FFg equivalent). Do it all the time with my SxS .12ga...80grns volume of PyrodexRS or 80grns volume of Goex FFg.

They do actually "weigh" differently on a scale...ie: PyrodexRS is actually lighter than Goex FFg, so you could not use 100grns of "weighed" PyrodexRS in place of 100grns "volume" of Goex FFg as it would actually be a lot more powder & power...that's why they're all geared to the BP standard of measuring with a volumetric measure.

Powder measure settings are not calibrated to = weights on a scale in grains...ie: Hodgdon's reloading manual has a muzzleloading section in it and it lists a conversion table showing the different "weights" compared to volumes of the powders...I think I recall a 90 or 100grain volume setting of PyrodexRS only produces a grain weight of about 72grns on a scale if my memory serves me correctly...but regardless, we would use the same volume setting for either PyrodexRS or Goex FFg.

 

[robinghewitt]

Avoid Troy/Apothecaries scales, shootists always use avoir dupois ::

 

"1 fat grain of wheat taken from the middle of the ear"

How'd he get wheat in his ear anawho???????
Better yet...how'd he get it out! :crackup: :crackup:
Oh, where wuz I.....204,699, 204,700 grains to the pound of 4FG. Only nine more pounds to go.... :snore: :snore:

 

100 grains of lead weighs the same as 100 grains of pyrodex which weighs the same as 100 grains of feathers, etc, etc.
: Volume is an entirely different matter, of course.

 

[Stumpkiller]

How'd he get wheat in his ear anawho???????
Better yet...how'd he get it out!

He had the Queen blow on the other side. :winking:

 

[Stumpkiller]

It's just one of those little "fibs" they tells ya to make you feel comfortable in your frightened little existance. Like "Hamster Heaven" and "Your vote counts". Pyrodex is formulated to be bulky enough that a measure that throws, say, 60 grains of FFFg with throw the proper amount of Pyrodex P at that volume setting. If you were to then weigh that amount of Pyrodex it would NOT be 60 grains. If you used FFg instead of FFFg it would NOT be 60 grains, either. It would be something like 55 gr. THAT is why some folks think FFFg is hotter than FFg. Taint. Tisn't. Ain't not. You just get more powder and less air in the same volume of FFg as FFFg. IT ALL COMES OUT OF THE SAME VAT! It is then graded by size of the particles. Fg and FFFFg, too.

Take a grain scale and your favorite pre-calibrated powder measure and some FFg and FFFg. Not only is the calibrated measure like as not going to be diffreent from what you weigh out, the FFg will weigh less that the FFFg at any given volume. Scouts honor.

 

[roundball]

Pyrodex is formulated to be bulky enough that a measure that throws, say, 60 grains of FFFg with throw the proper amount of Pyrodex P at that volume setting. If you were to then weigh that amount of Pyrodex it would NOT be 60 grains. If you used FFg instead of FFFg it would NOT be 60 grains, either. It would be something like 55 gr.

Now you got it...that's exactly what I said...I used Goex FFg and PyrodexRS in my example, you used FFFg and PyrodexP in yours...exact same principle.

 

[robinghewitt]

The pothecarie answerde, 'and thou shalt have
A thing that al-so god my soule save,
In al this world there nis no creaure,
That ete or dronke hath of this confiture
Noght but the mountenance of a corn of whete,
That he ne shal his lyf anon forlete;

That's the trouble with being English, sooner or later you just have to quote :crackup:

 

[Stumpkiller]

Oh, now that's your worstest spelluns yet! People in New Jersey talk better'n that!

[color="666666"] For the huntsman he can't hunt the fox
Nor loudly blow his horn,
And the tinker can't mend kettles nor pots
Without John Barleycorn! [/color]

 

[Dave Poss]

OKAY...I finally got it!!! If my car gets 24 miles per gallon, and I have a BLT for lunch then the distance to Boonesboro is directly related to the cicumference of a 16 foot teepee! right? :hmm: :hmm: :results:

 

[roundball]

Only if you remember to drive to Boonesboro in a clockwise direction in you live above the mason-dixon line, and counter clockwise if you live below it
:crackup: