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sundog

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I have a Pedersoli trade gun. The lock is marked Lott. Heck I just spent the better part of an hour trying to find any historical information about Lott the lock maker. Plenty available about Barnett but nothing about Lott.
Were the origionals made in England ? When did Lott start making locks ? What was the time frame for Lott locks in trade guns ? Thanks in advance.
 
I have been wondering that too! I have read a lot of gun and lock maker lists, and no Lott!

Buddy o' mine polished off the LOTT and the scrolls and put WILSON on the tail of the lock plate. Looks great.
 
All I can tell you is that those locks have been imported from Italy since the 1960's. I built a Northwest trade gun in '72 and was advised that the "Lott" was the best lock for such a gun so that is what I used. Probably wasn't historically correct but it sure looked cool. :haha:
 
Well, that's the thing... they are correct... for early and late (shape of the spur of the cock), and the leaf engraving shows up on very early TG's, but who the heck is LOTT?

No "pillar of salt" jokes, please. :nono:

:haha:
 
This reminds me of an old college professer who once told our class: "Rather than saying ' I say just say: 'the respected (fill in a made up name)always said' " It seems to me they just pulled Lott out of the air to make it appear to be a copy of an origional when it isn't. Most people won't admitt not knowing of something that they think they should know.
 
The LOTT locks were imports during the 60's/'70's. It was a very correct, architecturally, for the early TG's and other early English guns. I used them, by filing off the LOTT, and engraving or whatever for a lot (pun intended)of custom rifles I built back then. It was the only thing available at the time and was, back then, actually a terrible lock, functionally. Main problem, was a very weak mainspring.When I started working with olde Curly Gostomski in the late '70's he used this, again, cuz'n there wasn't anything else. In the course of always complaining about about these things, the LOTT name discussion also came up. As I remember, it was determined that the name was of the, I believe, Italian, manufacturer that just put it on the face in the script and style of an original, period lock. About 1980, give or take a couple of years cuz'n I'm getting olde too, was when Curly began making his own locks, primarily because of function, not accuracy of style. I started retrofitting the LOTT locks we still had with North Star's new mainsprings and bingo, the LOTT lock really worked. I even called back some of my custom guns to fix them. To kinda rap up my rambling, I don't believe the LOTT lock was based on anyone we could ever find any history on. Don't know if'n this helps or just helps confusiin' things more.
 
I've been tryin to find out this as well.I recently picked up a custom made trade gun in curly maple and it has a LOTT lock on it.Most people I sent pix to say it is in fact a Pedersoli lock,discontinued 25 yrs ago or so.A builder in Canada told me Pedersoli made these locks available to custom builders and spoke highly of them. ridjrunr
 
As I mentioned, WAY back then we didn't have the choices or correct locks we have today. You made your own, or een used originals you found somewhere. This was when Bud Siler and Ron Gale were just starting to make "other" locks. The Lott was one of he early imports and was the only one in the early English style, hence we used it 'cuz thar warn't anthin'else. Any idea where yours came from? I built some NW guns in curly maple with Lott locks and it would be nice just to know they were still being used. Ole Curly used to get very upset with me for useing maple cuz it warn't traditional. "NW guns were made in WALNUT!" No excuses. Miss that old guy.
 
nkmprdstr,Well,I shot this gun last fall at a club shoot and the guy said he bought it at a pawn shop.Long story short,2 months later me and him are shootin again with rifles and I asked him about the smoothy.He went on to say he may sell it and get another rifle.A deal was struck to trade.I can send pix to private e-mail only because I dont know how to on here. :redface: I need a browse button,haha.There are no markings on this gun,but IMO its pretty classy.Brief description,Curly maple full stock,oct to round with no bands,Lott flint lock,Iron trim,.69 cal.38" barrel,serpent side plate.I just got some wads in the mail and hope to go out this weekend.ridjrunr
 
Did you make those NW guns in 12 ga? How about kit/in the white? Circa early 1980's? If yes, I'll post some pics for ya of one still in use. :grin:
 
Well Ridjrunr, I can say for sure that the gun you have is'nt one of mine. All I built, and still build, have both wedding bands, are .54(28 ga), .58(24 ga) or .62(20 ga) and a few .75(12 ga). Tain't never built one in .69. The one curly maple one I have left for me has been "sorta" converted,,,,to 45-70, on a trapdoor Springfield action. I do have a drop in muzzle loading barrel for it, so it serves both purposes. I just finished putting together the last common trade gun built from all, left over original North Star inventory. I still build for North Star West, although mostly all his pistol these days. and to answer the other gentlemans question, a 12 ga. is possible, but to check availability, you should go to North Star West's web site.

So ridjrunr, I'm actually sorry it wasn't one of mine, cuz it is always interesting to know where they end up. The prototype of the NS Early English, (type G) was stolen in Michigan about 1982. I still keep wishing it will turn up and not destroyed. Anyway, nuff a ma ramblin'for now. Keep yor powder dry. Dick NieKamp (nkmprdstr)
 
nkmprdstr said:
I started retrofitting the LOTT locks we still had with North Star's new mainsprings and bingo, the LOTT lock really worked. I even called back some of my custom guns to fix them.

These springs still available? I have Lott with an incredibly weak mainspring and was going to forge one but if there's one available I'll save myself some time.
 
Hey Rick, got give a kinda yes/no to that question. The mainsprings I used required slight modification to the locating pin hole, read that elongating it ever so slightly. I haven't done one in quite some time and assume (we know what that spells occasionally :redface: ) that being North Star West is using the same molds for the lock, that the springs have the same dimensions as back then. What I don't have is a Lott lock to check them against. If you were getting ready to forge a new one a little lock plate mod shouldn't be a problem. If you would want to take a chance I know Matt at NSW would sell you a main spring. Let me know if I can help in some way.

Dick
 
I have a Pedersoli trade gun. The lock is marked Lott. Heck I just spent the better part of an hour trying to find any historical information about Lott the lock maker. Plenty available about Barnett but nothing about Lott.
Were the origionals made in England ? When did Lott start making locks ? What was the time frame for Lott locks in trade guns ? Thanks in advance.
I have a Pedersoli trade gun. The lock is marked Lott. Heck I just spent the better part of an hour trying to find any historical information about Lott the lock maker. Plenty available about Barnett but nothing about Lott.
Were the origionals made in England ? When did Lott start making locks ? What was the time frame for Lott locks in trade guns ? Thanks in advance.
THe Pedersoli,; obviously, is a copy - as are their locks marked LOTT. I have seen antique guns in England sell for a pretty penny with original marked flint locks bearing the name LOTT.. These guns date to around 1763, though. Thomas Lott was a gunmaker in Canterbury at that time. Here is a link to a register with his name on it. http://www.researchpress.co.uk/rppu...4-english-welsh-gunmakers-1550-1850-v1705.pdf Unfortunately, the Pedersoli copies have weak springs. But, if you see a really old gun with a LOTT marked lock, it may be the real dea!
 
Your other question, “we’re the originals made in England’ was yes, that style gun was an English trade gun. Called trade guns, trade muskets,north west gun, London fuze, ect in the past. However Belgian and American makers copied the gun down to the proof marks. In ‘Fire Arms traps and Tools of the Mountain Men’ Russel use a American Henry copy of a NWG as his drawing model for trade guns
 
I've been tryin to find out this as well.I recently picked up a custom made trade gun in curly maple and it has a LOTT lock on it.Most people I sent pix to say it is in fact a Pedersoli lock,discontinued 25 yrs ago or so.A builder in Canada told me Pedersoli made these locks available to custom builders and spoke highly of them. ridjrunr
I'm eyeing a Lott marked trade musket coming up for sale soon. Appears to be custom gun. Thanks for the information posted.
 
I've build a brass blunderbuss with this lock,the problem is the main spring.I have changed it with an other more stronger.Imagine the stock spring broken,I can weld but with no strong.normally a spring steel does not weld.
 

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