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I bought pedersoli guns through them, they were good to deal with, but I don't know about the India made guns, someone else will have to comment on those.
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Above average in every way, and they don't sell their India-made arms on auction broker sites and hide where they came from. And the $US is favorable against the $CDN so there is an advantage. That said, what they sell is still India-made at the end of the day so go in with open eyes...
nwtradegun
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you would be miles ahead with a used pedrosoli.
trettie
Matchlocks and Flintlocks
I've bought two pieces from Loyalist: an English lock musket and a matchlock. Great customer service, and they will custom stain the stock on your direction. Both pieces required a few minor tweaks, but I've had similar experience with custom-built pieces.
I have two muskets that I bought that came from Loyalist Arms. Several members of my reenacting unit have Loyalist Arms Long Land Pattern King's Muskets. Since the unit represents a company in action during the French and Indian War, the Long Land Patterns are the recommended musket to purchase rather than the second model from Pedersoli.
Of the India sourced guns, these seem to be the best constructed. Granted they will be heavier than most, but if you want a First Model, they are by far the best source.
I had an advantage in that I bought my muskets used and I could determine the musket's soundness before I bought it.
I did buy my bayonet and some additional parts for my Long Land Pattern directly from Loyalist Arms and they worked with me to ensure I got the right parts.
Be aware that these (for that matter all India manufactured guns) are built to pattern. That means that for all practical purposed there are no such thing as interchangeable parts. There will likely be some final tweaking of the lock to smooth the action. You may find you need to harden some of the internal parts of the lock and trigger. At least the Loyalist Arms have been subject to a functional test are sold ready to fire.
Of the India sourced guns, these seem to be the best constructed. Granted they will be heavier than most, but if you want a First Model, they are by far the best source.
I had an advantage in that I bought my muskets used and I could determine the musket's soundness before I bought it.
I did buy my bayonet and some additional parts for my Long Land Pattern directly from Loyalist Arms and they worked with me to ensure I got the right parts.
Be aware that these (for that matter all India manufactured guns) are built to pattern. That means that for all practical purposed there are no such thing as interchangeable parts. There will likely be some final tweaking of the lock to smooth the action. You may find you need to harden some of the internal parts of the lock and trigger. At least the Loyalist Arms have been subject to a functional test are sold ready to fire.
I've bought four guns from them. I also own two Pedersoli products, and two Japanese Bess. I've never had any problem with L.A. products.
The L.A. products function and shoot well. They are heavier than their European counterparts, or an American made, custom gun. The wood in the stocks is not European, which is part of the additional weight.
The major drawback that I've seen is the fact that none of the parts are interchangeable. So if you break a part, you're going to need to have a replacement fitted. That's not nearly as easy as taking the Pedersoli part out of the envelope and tightening a screw.
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LD
The L.A. products function and shoot well. They are heavier than their European counterparts, or an American made, custom gun. The wood in the stocks is not European, which is part of the additional weight.
The major drawback that I've seen is the fact that none of the parts are interchangeable. So if you break a part, you're going to need to have a replacement fitted. That's not nearly as easy as taking the Pedersoli part out of the envelope and tightening a screw.
As for
you might...or you might not. It depends on the model, and how well it was maintained, and what, if anything, needs to be replaced. (I have a poorly assembled, production not kit, Pedersoli trade gun, for example.) The cost for name brand replacement parts is exorbitant (imho) for a Pedersoli musket...if they are available. Some parts, luckily, are made by aftermarket sources; they work well, and are 1/3 the cost.
LD
What about flintlockrepair.com? Based on the price, I would assume that they're Indian guns as well, but claim to remove the locks and check them for function As well as case harden the frizzens to ensure a nice spark and drill the breech with a 3/32" vent hole.
They'll also for an extra cost "break down" the lock, polish all mated moving parts and harden the tumbler and sear for improved lock performance and reliability.
Anyone?
They'll also for an extra cost "break down" the lock, polish all mated moving parts and harden the tumbler and sear for improved lock performance and reliability.
Anyone?
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David Snellen
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Gentlemen,
I have owned 2 firearms from Loyalist. I wish I still had one I sold. They are much better than ones I owned from MVTC and Discriminating General.
My EIC pistol has as good a fit as my Lyman GP pistol and it sparks like a lightning storm.
Blair is a pleasure to deal with as well.
Just my opinion,
David
I have owned 2 firearms from Loyalist. I wish I still had one I sold. They are much better than ones I owned from MVTC and Discriminating General.
My EIC pistol has as good a fit as my Lyman GP pistol and it sparks like a lightning storm.
Blair is a pleasure to deal with as well.
Just my opinion,
David
AZbpBurner
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After I lowered my expectations with Pete at Middlesex Village, and did the proper work on the lock myself, a it's simple and straightforward task to fit the tumbler notches to the sear, polish bearing surfaces with Dremel, then harden with Kasenite. Some places want $50 to do the work & including the Kasenite and a torch, you can do it for much less yourself.
I'm not sure if your joking or you are among the others that over-react to the ingrediants Kasenit is made from.Alden said:Real Kasenite, MAPP gas, and hold your breath!?
A lot of people get a real paranoid look on their faces when they hear that Kasenit is close to 100 percent sodium ferrocyanide (sometimes called YELLOW PRUSSIATE OF SODA to make it sound less scary).
Actually, the cyanide is locked up in a chemical bond. At most, it and the vapors it produces when it is used is to cause some minor irritation to the skin and mucous membranes.
I know that some Countries have banned Kasenit due to their ignorance.
"OH MY GOD! CYANIDE IS USED IN THE GAS CHAMBER! WE'RE ALL DOOMED IF WE LET THE COMMON PEOPLE HAVE THIS STUFF!" :shocked2:
And now, back to our program. :grin:
http://hazard.com/msds/f2/brq/brqbk.html
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I've used Kasenite (when available) and Cherry Red in the forge and it never bothered me.Alden said:Real Kasenite, MAPP gas, and hold your breath!?
