Lyman Deerstalker

[dodger]

So, I just received by Lyman Deerstalker today, and I'm not super happy with the QC.

Four issues:
1. The barrel wedge won't go through the left escutcheon. Skinned my knuckles, put some light scratches on the stock, and put a little bulge in the left escutcheon trying to get the wedge through. The manual says you may need to file some metal off the top of the right escutcheon to get it to fit just right... This is the most annoying issue because I don't have a small file and so can't even get the dang thing together. IMO, I shouldn't have to file anything on a new gun. Don't they try to fit the barrel and stock at least once at the factory?
2. The front site is very loose. Slides side to side with the lightest touch. Probably my fault as I got some lube under it as I was cleaning/lubing the barrel. I think once I get all the lube off, it might be tight enough not to move when firing but not sure.
3. Cleaning jag only screws half way into the ramrod. Other brand attachments screw in fine, so it must be the threads on the Lyman jag.
4. The stock agate flints and flint "leather" suck.

I guess these are relatively minor issues, and all can be corrected easily/cheaply, but I have to say, I'm not super happy.

As you brought up Lyman QC [or lack of QC ] and you are thinking about sending the gun back , let me suggest that you check one or two other things on the gun .
Check that the vent hole is in the the centre of the pan ,
check that the flint strikes at least two thirds of the way up the frizzen ,
check that the trigger pulls cleanly and crisply and can be adjusted to your liking,
check that the frizzen actually closes completely over the pan ,
check that the flint can be securely clamped in the **** .

English or French flints perform much better and you can use lead or old glove leather to wrap the flint ,throw the supplied piece of thin leather away .
I also had to file one of the wedges to make it fit my gun .
The front sight can be shimmed or you could knurl the surface of the barrel with a centre punch to retain the sight .
The ramrod will break very soon , use a range rod for loading and cleaning .

I found all of the above problems on my GPR which has many of the same parts as your deerstalker .
The gun is made by Investarms and IMHO they have a cavalier attitude towards QC .
Once you have shot the gun , it will be too late to send it back , make your mind up now if it's entirely what you want .

This is a video of my gun and what I had to do to make it a reliable shooter .
https://youtu.be/08ro3kB34M4

Hope this helps you decide .

 

[azmntman]

My lyman (gpr) was made by Investarms? When the change?

 

[Lonegun1894]

They're made by Investarms, but imported by and sold under the Lyman brand.

 

[dodger]

The Lyman GPR is actually an Investarms model 180 . http://www.investarm.com/eng-avancarica.html

 

[hrchotaw]

The GPR is a 160, the 180 is the Trade Rifle :thumbsup:

 

[dodger]

Yep , you're right model 160 and 170 ( perc and flint ) are the GPR models .

 

[Lonegun1894]

Thanks for the link! I wish the .45 GPR was available in the US.

 

[smrkdown]

So, I just received by Lyman Deerstalker today, and I'm not super happy with the QC.

Four issues:
1. The barrel wedge won't go through the left escutcheon. Skinned my knuckles, put some light scratches on the stock, and put a little bulge in the left escutcheon trying to get the wedge through. The manual says you may need to file some metal off the top of the right escutcheon to get it to fit just right... This is the most annoying issue because I don't have a small file and so can't even get the dang thing together. IMO, I shouldn't have to file anything on a new gun. Don't they try to fit the barrel and stock at least once at the factory?
2. The front site is very loose. Slides side to side with the lightest touch. Probably my fault as I got some lube under it as I was cleaning/lubing the barrel. I think once I get all the lube off, it might be tight enough not to move when firing but not sure.
3. Cleaning jag only screws half way into the ramrod. Other brand attachments screw in fine, so it must be the threads on the Lyman jag.
4. The stock agate flints and flint "leather" suck.

I guess these are relatively minor issues, and all can be corrected easily/cheaply, but I have to say, I'm not super happy.

As you brought up Lyman QC [or lack of QC ] and you are thinking about sending the gun back , let me suggest that you check one or two other things on the gun .
Check that the vent hole is in the the centre of the pan ,
check that the flint strikes at least two thirds of the way up the frizzen ,
check that the trigger pulls cleanly and crisply and can be adjusted to your liking,
check that the frizzen actually closes completely over the pan ,
check that the flint can be securely clamped in the **** .

English or French flints perform much better and you can use lead or old glove leather to wrap the flint ,throw the supplied piece of thin leather away .
I also had to file one of the wedges to make it fit my gun .
The front sight can be shimmed or you could knurl the surface of the barrel with a centre punch to retain the sight .
The ramrod will break very soon , use a range rod for loading and cleaning .

I found all of the above problems on my GPR which has many of the same parts as your deerstalker .
The gun is made by Investarms and IMHO they have a cavalier attitude towards QC .
Once you have shot the gun , it will be too late to send it back , make your mind up now if it's entirely what you want .

This is a video of my gun and what I had to do to make it a reliable shooter .
https://youtu.be/08ro3kB34M4

Hope this helps you decide .

Great info. I'm on the road now so will have to check those things later this week.