Ninering62
40 Cal
100% On Point! Dang good moto too.
-
Friends, our 2nd Amendment rights are always under attack and the NRA has been a constant for decades in helping fight that fight.
We have partnered with the NRA to offer you a discount on membership and Muzzleloading Forum gets a small percentage too of each membership, so you are supporting both the NRA and us.
Use this link to sign up please; https://membership.nra.org/recruiters/join/XR045103
Mag spark
- Thread starter michacooks
- Start date
Help Support Muzzleloading Forum:
A Mag Spark came with a gun I purchased a while back. Although it worked, I have enough trouble dropping things like percussion caps, let alone small pieces like a primer firing pin assembly component, that I wouldn’t consider using one in hunting situations without spares for the droppable items. I carry extra caps (or flints) when hunting. Drop the Mag Spark firing pin assembly into the leaves, mud or snow, and you are potentially done without a spare.
Recently did some limited testing at the range with one and noticed a change in the point of impact when compared to regular percussion caps, not a negative, just something you may have to account for.
Another thing to consider, while percussion caps are difficult to find today, 209 primers disappeared for a stint not that long ago. If you are committing to using primers, suggest a thousand minimum, unless you don’t shoot much. Also would suggest Federal brand based on experience for consistency.
I had one many years ago when I got my first muzzleloader. It worked but with all the problems already noted in this and previous threads. Once I learned how to properly load, swab and clean my rifle correctly, including switching to real black powder, there were no more ignition problems with cap
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2009
- Messages
- 13,032
- Reaction score
- 7,291
One of the things that has been said about the Mag-Spark is that the power of the primer completely channeled into the barrel can bump the projectile forwards and that this can create shot to shot inconsistencies with a resultant loss of accuracy. That's something I will be watching for.
Ninering62
40 Cal
I love the way you made your point. Very cool!
I've ordered one of these as I have quite a few 209s left over from a business I had back in 2008. What I'm wondering is, will they work with toy gun paper caps? I guess I'll find out and report back. Hopefully, all I'll have to do is blow out the brunt paper instead of removing a spent primer.
I wouldn't use it on a Woods/Trail Walk. I'd save my limited supply of percussion caps for that!
By the way, these are not new or modern, other than the 209 aspect. They have a device like this pictured in Ned Robert's "The Muzzle Loading Cap-lock Rifle", that utilized Rifle primers. They were in use in the 1800s!
Walt
I wouldn't use it on a Woods/Trail Walk. I'd save my limited supply of percussion caps for that!
By the way, these are not new or modern, other than the 209 aspect. They have a device like this pictured in Ned Robert's "The Muzzle Loading Cap-lock Rifle", that utilized Rifle primers. They were in use in the 1800s!
Walt
Last edited:
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2017
- Messages
- 1,110
- Reaction score
- 1,230
I have them on guns I hunt with ,They do not expand in any of mine . I do tell folks to stik primer in mouth while spitting in cap ,do that and no sticking (works in mine ) for at least the last 15+yrs (I think)/Ed
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2017
- Messages
- 1,110
- Reaction score
- 1,230
You do know Ned Roberts was doing this (ALONG) time ago right ? ,not at all modern just another traditional way like rock locks it lites the powder and does it predictably with (GUSTO) /Ed
- Joined
- Jun 17, 2019
- Messages
- 8,383
- Reaction score
- 9,771
From what I've seen on this site, caps are becoming a bit more available here and there, but that's just an impression I've gotten. Hopefully your area will become more 'saturated' with them soon! Good luck!
michacooks
32 Cal
Finally found caps at walmart,$5.32
- Joined
- Jun 17, 2019
- Messages
- 8,383
- Reaction score
- 9,771
Not to mention, back during the ammo shortage of 2016 during the "Hillary Scare", guys who reload modern ammo couldn't find modern primers at all; hoarding. Then forward to the "Biden Scare", we see the percussion cap shortage. There was clear evidence of hoarding in 2016; after Trump got in office, gun shows were fat with modern ammo that people had been hoarding and were now trying to unload. It's a cyclical thing; I don't condone hoarding, but guys should keep a "political cycle" supply in stock.
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2017
- Messages
- 1,110
- Reaction score
- 1,230
Never happened with me but then I know bore dimension and size accordingly , using Mag spark in all my side locks . And a #11 cap is a lot harder for me to use (PERIOD) I buy spare tops for the Mag spark as suggested by the seller . Have 4 ,only needed to use one (15 +yrs) /Ed
- Joined
- Jul 24, 2018
- Messages
- 4,497
- Reaction score
- 5,647
The Mag Spark is primarily for use with Blackpowder subs in sidehammers for one-shot situations like Hunting.
I had one on my T/C New Englander and it was a pain, it's not really good for shooting for fun at the range. If I needed the best reliability for the field for muzzleloading season , if I was allowed to use a sidehammer, I'd use one. I wasn't worried about staying H-C with a T/C New Englander.
It actually isn't too different from things that were actually used in the period, with the jim-whacked conversions for flintlocks, the Egg Primers, the primers used with the Lorenz rifles . I'm not saying it's "correct" but odd and bizarre one off conversions, screw in stuff, etc etc were used and examples are seen on rifles from the original period.
I had one on my T/C New Englander and it was a pain, it's not really good for shooting for fun at the range. If I needed the best reliability for the field for muzzleloading season , if I was allowed to use a sidehammer, I'd use one. I wasn't worried about staying H-C with a T/C New Englander.
It actually isn't too different from things that were actually used in the period, with the jim-whacked conversions for flintlocks, the Egg Primers, the primers used with the Lorenz rifles . I'm not saying it's "correct" but odd and bizarre one off conversions, screw in stuff, etc etc were used and examples are seen on rifles from the original period.
Because now a days we mainly only hunt a couple of days and can't stay in the woods weeks and if it improves success use it.
- Joined
- May 10, 2022
- Messages
- 500
- Reaction score
- 490
I have had one on my Elk gun since 2004 and never had an issue. I did just buy a new as a spare and the lenght is a hair longer. Also I cannot interchange the tops, threading seems different as well. One thing to remember is crud will build up on the inside of the top, under the firing pin and reduce its movement. Remember this is not black powder or substitute powder, its from the primer. TC 13 cleaner and soapwater doesn't clean it, use bore cleaner used for an unmentionable. I had noticed the pin had very short movement even though it was cleaned with 13 and soap with hot water. Soaked it in borecleaner and the buildup was gone. Just some stuff I found while using it alot at range. All my other caplocks I use #11s , especially for waterfoul with a Pedersoli 12ga. Dont need to drop top of magspark in the water!
- Joined
- Jan 9, 2017
- Messages
- 1,110
- Reaction score
- 1,230
They most certainly were traditional ,ask Ned Roberts (heard of him?) he used and described advantages of similar and sure was traditional / Ed
Similar threads
