Opening day was yesterday and I went to check on one of my stands, I'm walking out and some guy on the next chunk of land over meets me and asks what I'm doing there. I explain that I'm checking my stand and I have permission to hunt there. The guy goes to tell me that his father in law has all the hunting rights to this huge chunk of land. Well I know the owner real well she's a widow of 27 years and I had swung by to see how she was doing the day before. She had handed me a stack of posted signs and asked me to put them up. She also told me I was the only person who had asked to hunt the property this year. I didn't worry about it because the guy was not hunting on the lady's land. Well I get in my truck and 2 more guys stop me and ask what I'm doing out there, and they tell me that they were given permission to hunt this land by some guy and now I'm getting a little miffed. I told them hey I just posted all this land for the owner and she told me I'm the only guy who even asked to hunt out there. They say well I don't know why she said that because she signed all the land over to one of my neighbors and now about 10 of these guys are hunting my area. I thought maybe he had the cattle contract with this guy and that is how he assumed that he had the rights. So I ask the owner and he of course wasn't running cattle on her land. So now I'm getting pretty mad. Here's the deal all these guys are either neighbors or people my wife works with so any way I handle this it's not going to be good. I can't wait till rifle season ends and all the yahoos dissapear. I always have these issues during rifle season and no other time.
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You have the same trouble I does, too many darn folk all fightin' over the same patch! Gets me down too.
I look forward to horrid wet miserable weather because thats when I know I won't see anyone!
Brits.
I look forward to horrid wet miserable weather because thats when I know I won't see anyone!
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Yep, sounds like the regular rifle season. If you don't have it, get it, a written permission slip. If you are the only person with permission, have that one the permission slip as well. Many people may know her and that is fine, but if they don't have written permission, they can't settle it with a just words. You can easily get on the computer and make up a permission slip with the language you feel is needed and have her sign it. Leave a copy with her and you carry one. I would have it signed with a carbon paper and give her the copy with you keeping the original. That way there is no dispute to anyone.
Yeah, I just told them where I'm taking my mom hunting and told them to steer clear. Hopefully they will heed my warning. She had warned me about this prior to the season and boy was she right.I do have to say nobody got real upset, I remember some knock down drag outs over similar stuff when I was a kid growing up in Texas. I will have to talk to the owner prior next season and try to figure out how we can fix these issues, she feels like she is getting taken advantage of and she pretty much is.
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Sometimes I wish the hunting wasn't so good in Colorado. Then we wouldn't have so many hunters coming here from out of state.
I get the same thing in fly fishing, but they can't kill me with a fly rod.
I get the same thing in fly fishing, but they can't kill me with a fly rod.
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Right on, capper! But you're lucky that you don't have the anti's and hikers, and mushroom hunters, etc. I had to quit elk hunting last year because of all the traffic.
I took my wife up to climb a peak that I used to frequent and would never see a soul. This place had so many cars, that you ncouldn't find a place to park. So just for grins, we parked and decided to hike anyway. Wall-to-wall people. I finally got mad and we left. We stopped by the forest service office and they told me that 4th of July weekend they parked 7,000 cars!!
Forgive me, but all you folks PLEASE GO HOME!!!!
I took my wife up to climb a peak that I used to frequent and would never see a soul. This place had so many cars, that you ncouldn't find a place to park. So just for grins, we parked and decided to hike anyway. Wall-to-wall people. I finally got mad and we left. We stopped by the forest service office and they told me that 4th of July weekend they parked 7,000 cars!!
Forgive me, but all you folks PLEASE GO HOME!!!!
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Well hidden game cams and e mail pics of trespassers to the wardens. Works here in FL.
Armed trespass is a felony and they don't play around about it.
Armed trespass is a felony and they don't play around about it.
I was bowhunting this afternoon when a 15yr. old and his 17 yr. old brother came on to my land. I caught their Dad last year and told him then it was a warning. I have the sheriff taking care of it now. Some people just don't get it. Do they know how dangerous this can be? They obviously didn't know I was there or they wouldn't have been there. So, it is a chance that I could have been shot, as they would be surprised to see me there. Like wise, I wouldn't know to see a camoflaged bowhunter (I was bowhunting) possibly behind the deer I could be aiming at.(yes, I always work to be certain of what is behind my target, but don't play Russian Roulet either) Oh well, the law will take care of it. I caught them and took their names and ph. no.s. The sheriffs office can take it from here.
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Ask the owner to write down on paper that you have the ONLY Permission to be hunting her land, and then attach a plat map of her land. If you see someone hunting on the land, call the Sheriff. Show them your paper work( have a phone number available so they can call the land owner from a cell phone) and ask the Sheriff to either escort these trespassers off, or arrest them. That is the Only way this stops.
I ran into this with a good friend who took a job taking care of some few acres for a Professor, who wanted to have a garden there, and grow fruit trees in a meadow. The ground hogs, birds, and deer were eating everything in the garden, and the deer were eating the bark off the fruit trees and killing them. The owner didn't "believe in hunting", but after being told by the Ill. Dept. of Conservation officer that he could not obtain a nuisance permit to kill the offending deer unless he first allowed hunters on the land in hope that they would kill enough of the deer that the amount of destruction to his trees would be reduced. The first year we were hunting there, I Helped Don put up NEW " No Hunting" and NO trespassing " signs both at the entrance to the property, and then along the boundary fence, and at any trail crossing onto the land. When the season started, sure enough, we found locals hunting on the farm without permission. They tried to buffalo us by saying they had permission and had hunted the ground for years. Don kicked them off. They came back, later, drunk, and armed with shotguns, and threatened to Kill Don for throwing them off the ground. I was standing to their right, apparently unseen at first, and I had my revolver in hand behind my back, picking my spot on the Loudmouth's chest where My shot would take both his hear and spinal cord out. A revolver against two shotguns is Not a fair fight, and they drafted an Archer with them, who stood closest to me with a broadhead nocked on his bowstring. The cursing and threats carried on for a couple of minutes, and then they let Don speak. He told them who he worked for, how long the professor had owned the farm, that it was posted when he first came down to the property to mow the grass the prior spring, and that the new signs were posted prominently- including right next to where the two shotgun guys had parked their truck! Since the signs had blaze orange letters on a black background its Impossible that these two men did not see the sign when they pulled in. They also parked on the neighbor's side of the property line, and not on the farm, where the tire tracks indicated that they had parked on past visits. ( Its useless to try to lie to Trackers!)
Once Don explained his job, they started in threatening him again, and that is when the loudmouth in the middle looked over and saw me, with my arm behind my back, not saying anything, but leaning forward in an aggressive posture. He did a double take, then stopped threatening and cussing, and dropped his voice down. The other shotgun shooter next to him on the left, looked over at him to find out why the sudden change in demeanor, and happened to see me, too. another double take.He lowered his voice, and stopped threatening. Their behavior cause the archer, closest to me, to slowly turn his head around and see me: Again, another double take. Since he hadn't said anything, he just turned back to face Don, and lowered his bow and arrow slowly.
They let Don talk again and Don told him how difficult it had been for him to get permission to hunt anything on the farm. He was allowed to shoot the ground hogs, but not rabbits and pheasants or any other small game. He was permitted to get some friends from his BP club to hunt deer during the season, but Don was to supervise all of us. Finally, they left. But, they turned counterclockwise, so their gun muzzles did not sweep past me, and they walked off the property- past another No Trespassing/No Hunting sign on the corner post, and on out across a soybean field. I walked over to the corner post, and took a hand to the top of it, prepared to use it as a rest to shoot back at them if either of the shotgun shooters tried to fire a shot back at us. About 100 yds away, the Archer turned around and looked back. As soon as he saw where I was, he turned back, told the two shotguns, and they all quickened their pace to walk out of range. Don was not armed, and his girlfriend was not happy to see me take a revolver out of my car, and put it in my belt behind my back. She didn't like handguns, altho rifles and shotguns are okay- I guess.
After that incident, she told Don that she didn't want him going down to the farm unarmed again, and told him to get one of his handguns out of his bank lockbox, and carry it with him anytime he was going to the farm. He was a very happy man, and thanked me for changing her mind. She is a city girl, and simply never thought that she would face armed threats in the country.
When I realized that the two shotguns were drunk, I contemplated pulling my gun and disarming them, taking the guns, and their wallets, and turning them into the Sheriff's office in Urbana, with a written complaint about their behavior. But, Don was the manager of the farm, and it was his call. I simply wanted us to go home in one piece, and I was quite willing to shoot all three of them dead if I had to. Because of the two shotguns, I never gave a passing sought to shooting a wounding shot- it simply was too dangerous for me to leave either of them functioning if they held a shotgun, with me only 30 feet away. All three were right handed, and they made the tactical mistake of standing too close together. The middle loud mouth could not swing his gun over to shoot me without risking stabbing his hand on the point of the broadhead held by the Archer. The other shotgun could not swing over to aim at me without bumping into the loudmouth to his right. That was the ONLY tactical advantage I had in the situation and i made the most of it, giving them the old " Dodge Cop" look to the very best of my ability. I had tinted lenses on my glasses, but no those mirror finish glasses made famous in that commercial, and in the movie, "Cool Hand Luke."But, I gave my best impression of a "junk yard dog" staring at the three. I WAS mad that they had the nerve to come back on the property and begin threatening Don, when they knew they were wrong.
Today, we would have cell phones to get law enforcement officers coming to the scene, and so we could give a running description of the men, their guns, what they were saying etc, to the dispatcher as the incident unfolded.
If you notify the Sheriff's office in advance that you are having trouble with trespassers on the land, so they can send a deputy out to get familiar with you, and with the land, check the signs as posted to see that they meet state law requirements, you will find they they are more willing to respond to your call than if you simply wait until you are confronting these slob hunters to call them. Ask the Sheriff's deputy to meet you at the land owner's house, so he can meet her, verify himself that she has not leased hunting rights to anyone, nor given anyone but you permission to hunt. If you know the men who lied to you, give their names to the officer, so he can run criminal history checks on them before he has to confront them, too.
Some officers will simply go find the offenders, and talk to them at their homes, and warn them they will be arrested if they are found hunting on the property again. Often that will take care of the problem for both you and the land lady. She needs her neighbors, but good neighbors always ask permission before coming onto your property. These guys are not being good neighbors. :thumbsup:
I ran into this with a good friend who took a job taking care of some few acres for a Professor, who wanted to have a garden there, and grow fruit trees in a meadow. The ground hogs, birds, and deer were eating everything in the garden, and the deer were eating the bark off the fruit trees and killing them. The owner didn't "believe in hunting", but after being told by the Ill. Dept. of Conservation officer that he could not obtain a nuisance permit to kill the offending deer unless he first allowed hunters on the land in hope that they would kill enough of the deer that the amount of destruction to his trees would be reduced. The first year we were hunting there, I Helped Don put up NEW " No Hunting" and NO trespassing " signs both at the entrance to the property, and then along the boundary fence, and at any trail crossing onto the land. When the season started, sure enough, we found locals hunting on the farm without permission. They tried to buffalo us by saying they had permission and had hunted the ground for years. Don kicked them off. They came back, later, drunk, and armed with shotguns, and threatened to Kill Don for throwing them off the ground. I was standing to their right, apparently unseen at first, and I had my revolver in hand behind my back, picking my spot on the Loudmouth's chest where My shot would take both his hear and spinal cord out. A revolver against two shotguns is Not a fair fight, and they drafted an Archer with them, who stood closest to me with a broadhead nocked on his bowstring. The cursing and threats carried on for a couple of minutes, and then they let Don speak. He told them who he worked for, how long the professor had owned the farm, that it was posted when he first came down to the property to mow the grass the prior spring, and that the new signs were posted prominently- including right next to where the two shotgun guys had parked their truck! Since the signs had blaze orange letters on a black background its Impossible that these two men did not see the sign when they pulled in. They also parked on the neighbor's side of the property line, and not on the farm, where the tire tracks indicated that they had parked on past visits. ( Its useless to try to lie to Trackers!)
Once Don explained his job, they started in threatening him again, and that is when the loudmouth in the middle looked over and saw me, with my arm behind my back, not saying anything, but leaning forward in an aggressive posture. He did a double take, then stopped threatening and cussing, and dropped his voice down. The other shotgun shooter next to him on the left, looked over at him to find out why the sudden change in demeanor, and happened to see me, too. another double take.He lowered his voice, and stopped threatening. Their behavior cause the archer, closest to me, to slowly turn his head around and see me: Again, another double take. Since he hadn't said anything, he just turned back to face Don, and lowered his bow and arrow slowly.
They let Don talk again and Don told him how difficult it had been for him to get permission to hunt anything on the farm. He was allowed to shoot the ground hogs, but not rabbits and pheasants or any other small game. He was permitted to get some friends from his BP club to hunt deer during the season, but Don was to supervise all of us. Finally, they left. But, they turned counterclockwise, so their gun muzzles did not sweep past me, and they walked off the property- past another No Trespassing/No Hunting sign on the corner post, and on out across a soybean field. I walked over to the corner post, and took a hand to the top of it, prepared to use it as a rest to shoot back at them if either of the shotgun shooters tried to fire a shot back at us. About 100 yds away, the Archer turned around and looked back. As soon as he saw where I was, he turned back, told the two shotguns, and they all quickened their pace to walk out of range. Don was not armed, and his girlfriend was not happy to see me take a revolver out of my car, and put it in my belt behind my back. She didn't like handguns, altho rifles and shotguns are okay- I guess.
After that incident, she told Don that she didn't want him going down to the farm unarmed again, and told him to get one of his handguns out of his bank lockbox, and carry it with him anytime he was going to the farm. He was a very happy man, and thanked me for changing her mind. She is a city girl, and simply never thought that she would face armed threats in the country.
When I realized that the two shotguns were drunk, I contemplated pulling my gun and disarming them, taking the guns, and their wallets, and turning them into the Sheriff's office in Urbana, with a written complaint about their behavior. But, Don was the manager of the farm, and it was his call. I simply wanted us to go home in one piece, and I was quite willing to shoot all three of them dead if I had to. Because of the two shotguns, I never gave a passing sought to shooting a wounding shot- it simply was too dangerous for me to leave either of them functioning if they held a shotgun, with me only 30 feet away. All three were right handed, and they made the tactical mistake of standing too close together. The middle loud mouth could not swing his gun over to shoot me without risking stabbing his hand on the point of the broadhead held by the Archer. The other shotgun could not swing over to aim at me without bumping into the loudmouth to his right. That was the ONLY tactical advantage I had in the situation and i made the most of it, giving them the old " Dodge Cop" look to the very best of my ability. I had tinted lenses on my glasses, but no those mirror finish glasses made famous in that commercial, and in the movie, "Cool Hand Luke."But, I gave my best impression of a "junk yard dog" staring at the three. I WAS mad that they had the nerve to come back on the property and begin threatening Don, when they knew they were wrong.
Today, we would have cell phones to get law enforcement officers coming to the scene, and so we could give a running description of the men, their guns, what they were saying etc, to the dispatcher as the incident unfolded.
If you notify the Sheriff's office in advance that you are having trouble with trespassers on the land, so they can send a deputy out to get familiar with you, and with the land, check the signs as posted to see that they meet state law requirements, you will find they they are more willing to respond to your call than if you simply wait until you are confronting these slob hunters to call them. Ask the Sheriff's deputy to meet you at the land owner's house, so he can meet her, verify himself that she has not leased hunting rights to anyone, nor given anyone but you permission to hunt. If you know the men who lied to you, give their names to the officer, so he can run criminal history checks on them before he has to confront them, too.
Some officers will simply go find the offenders, and talk to them at their homes, and warn them they will be arrested if they are found hunting on the property again. Often that will take care of the problem for both you and the land lady. She needs her neighbors, but good neighbors always ask permission before coming onto your property. These guys are not being good neighbors. :thumbsup:
:hmm: Just remember guys it won't be long before only the rich will be hunting.Guys like me won't be making those out of state hunts(which i haven't for awhile)Just getting to unafforadable.So residents you will be getting your space back.Somewhat.Well at lest the merchants will miss us.I enjoy hunting my home state with my bp guns and any deer,bear or turkey is a good enough trophy for me.Doesn't have to be a monster for me.Never was.Can understand your complaints,so i'll just stay home and give you all a little more room. 
Oh' yea anthing taken with the bp is a trophy. Griz
Oh' yea anthing taken with the bp is a trophy. Griz
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Shooting to wound is not a good idea. Shoot to stop. A wounded man can fight, often with greater ability. A "stopped" man cannot.
In Indiana, we do not have a rifle season. The "modern firearms" season now includes pistol-caliber rifles as well as pistols and shotguns.
Said "pistol caliber" must be at least 1.16" in length with a max of 1.6" (IIRC) and fire a bullet of at least .357" in diameter.
Some of us have been building guns around the wildcat .358 WSSM, and I'm probably next in line for this - just for fun, mind you, as I've decided all my hunting except for small game will involve a muzzleloader from now on. Too easy with the other equipment, except maybe a bow, and I suck with the bow.
However, the thing to remember is that most firearms used, especially slug guns, only have the advantage of fast repeat shots.
I will take any long arm before I'll take a pistol. With that said, I have a lifetime carry permit for my handgun, and we can carry these for self-defense in the woods when hunting, even if it's not a legal caliber for deer (the .45acp is not). I can therefore make a precise hit on an attacker with the muzzleloader, use the cloud to escape, leaving the muzzleloader where I dropped it as a distraction (is he still there???).
Take up new residence behind concealment (can't really count on cover with long guns) and cover with the 1911 as the person approaches.
This is my plan if it should ever get that complex. Mostly, I don't expect things to last that long.
Point is, in Indiana we don't mess around either, and hardware is carried which keeps us polite. As well, carrying a muzzleloader, I'm about on the same playing field as someone carrying a rifled, single shot slug gun.
First step is always to call law enforcement. Even if they can't get there right away, you're the first to document and it will look better for you in court.
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In Indiana, we do not have a rifle season. The "modern firearms" season now includes pistol-caliber rifles as well as pistols and shotguns.
Said "pistol caliber" must be at least 1.16" in length with a max of 1.6" (IIRC) and fire a bullet of at least .357" in diameter.
Some of us have been building guns around the wildcat .358 WSSM, and I'm probably next in line for this - just for fun, mind you, as I've decided all my hunting except for small game will involve a muzzleloader from now on. Too easy with the other equipment, except maybe a bow, and I suck with the bow.
However, the thing to remember is that most firearms used, especially slug guns, only have the advantage of fast repeat shots.
I will take any long arm before I'll take a pistol. With that said, I have a lifetime carry permit for my handgun, and we can carry these for self-defense in the woods when hunting, even if it's not a legal caliber for deer (the .45acp is not). I can therefore make a precise hit on an attacker with the muzzleloader, use the cloud to escape, leaving the muzzleloader where I dropped it as a distraction (is he still there???).
Take up new residence behind concealment (can't really count on cover with long guns) and cover with the 1911 as the person approaches.
This is my plan if it should ever get that complex. Mostly, I don't expect things to last that long.
Point is, in Indiana we don't mess around either, and hardware is carried which keeps us polite. As well, carrying a muzzleloader, I'm about on the same playing field as someone carrying a rifled, single shot slug gun.
First step is always to call law enforcement. Even if they can't get there right away, you're the first to document and it will look better for you in court.
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paulvallandigham said:
I'm not locked up right now because, in a similar situation that ended very badly, I had the presence of mind to call 911 on my cell and let them record what was happening. Including my narrative of what was going on.
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This can work the opposite way,too. I have hunted elk west of Boulder since I got out of the military in 1973. Right next to the patch of National Forest that I hunt is a private ranch. The guy that owns it is an anti and has harrassed my family and I for years, to the point of closing public roads with gates, removing rotor buttons from muy uncles vehicle, loosening the lug nuts on mine, hiring 7 foot goons to do his dirty work.
After I got married to the angel I now have, we were dirt poor and I was driving a small Datsun.There is a mountainside we call the east face and it always had elk. I parked next to the road and hiked about 2 miles to a ridge that paralleled the east face, giving me about a 300 yard shot at elk. When I walked to the rock outcropping, before I could get settled, I saw a bull with his harem. I looked through my scope ( back in the day) and he only had one antler. Evidently a fighter. I took a shot with my .280 and dropped him.
Mind you, now I hve a packout of about 4 miles, because I can't go straight down and then straight up with 100 lbs of meat on my back. SO I gutted him, remove the head and pack the head back to the car. when I arrived, there was the landowner in his pickup accusing me of hunting on his property.
It was standard procedure for us to get topo maps and NF maps and transfer as best we could, the NF boundaries to the topo so that we could always know where we were. There's a lot of private ground there.
I told him I was not hunting on his property, took out my map and showed him where I shot the bull, which was NF. He said that was his property, and he heard me shoot four times. :cursing: I said I only fired once, and he said he was going to get the sherrif. I told him go ahead, I have lots of work to do, and I would be in and out packing out my bull. Then I was afraid he would wait until I left to sabotage my car. But I had to get the meat out before it spoiled. It took me most of the day, and I never did see the sherrif.
After I got married to the angel I now have, we were dirt poor and I was driving a small Datsun.There is a mountainside we call the east face and it always had elk. I parked next to the road and hiked about 2 miles to a ridge that paralleled the east face, giving me about a 300 yard shot at elk. When I walked to the rock outcropping, before I could get settled, I saw a bull with his harem. I looked through my scope ( back in the day) and he only had one antler. Evidently a fighter. I took a shot with my .280 and dropped him.
Mind you, now I hve a packout of about 4 miles, because I can't go straight down and then straight up with 100 lbs of meat on my back. SO I gutted him, remove the head and pack the head back to the car. when I arrived, there was the landowner in his pickup accusing me of hunting on his property.
It was standard procedure for us to get topo maps and NF maps and transfer as best we could, the NF boundaries to the topo so that we could always know where we were. There's a lot of private ground there.
I told him I was not hunting on his property, took out my map and showed him where I shot the bull, which was NF. He said that was his property, and he heard me shoot four times. :cursing: I said I only fired once, and he said he was going to get the sherrif. I told him go ahead, I have lots of work to do, and I would be in and out packing out my bull. Then I was afraid he would wait until I left to sabotage my car. But I had to get the meat out before it spoiled. It took me most of the day, and I never did see the sherrif.
And it never ends Dave...the bad news is that its not like a static age group population that eventually matures and learns to do everthing right...the hunting population is constantly having new, young people pumped into the bottom starting up that learning curve...some are just ignorant and immature...others are just plain inconsiderate and/or law breakers
You are right Bill. We had a similiar problem about 18yrs. ago. There was about 15 guys who ended up standing before the judge.Actually, I didn't take them to court a neighbor did, as these people were on his land. These people then learned exactly who owned what and where this land was. We had not had a problem since, until now. Last Jan. I had a problem during the ml'er season with a guy on a snowmobile. He was easy enough to track and I tracked him to his house. which is only about 1/4 mi. from our farm. Now, I don't care if he wants to ride his sled along the road even in our fields, but cutting through the center of the farm really lit me up. I had been on stand that day since 7am and it was now 3pm and there were a group of deer headed our way when he decided to go for a tresspassin ride. I had froze my tail off all day, for him to ruin my hunt and take something that can't be bought back....time. Then it was this Sun., that this same guys, 15 and 17 yr.old boys, were in the middle of the farm. Of course I confronted them, (it was "deer"time, the last 1/2hr. of the day, I had been on stand 4hrs.) they said they didn't know where the property line was! I told them they had lived here all their life and didn't know where the property line was! I called the Sherrif that night. I made it clear, I would not press charges this time, but 3 strikes and your out. Tresspassers have no idea of the effect of their actions and what can take place. Just like you walking into your house and you KNOW(you actually just assume), there is no one there, instead, you suddenly find someone in your house. It is a situation that could turn deadly in a heart beat. No it shouldn't be that way, but things change and escalate in a heart beat, both for the people who were caught where they weren't invited and the person who assumes his property is secure. On public hunting ground or on ground where you know there are others hunting, you assume that you will see others out there and watch for them. But I don't look for those others on ground that I have control of. I am sure there are those who don't have land that they control with think of me as bad person. That is OK by me. When you pay fees (taxes, lease, what ever), invest your time in game management, game study of where to hunt and make it better for game to live here, then we can talk about what rights you have on ground that don't have permission to be on. Many times I have had people tell me, how they can't find ground to hunt on as it is all tied up. Maybe I am lucky, I don't know. But I have left the state or my local area on many hunts and did some serious door knocking. I get turned down many times, but about as often I get permission as well. I can then capitalize on that, once you get a foot in the door in that neighbood and get much more acreage. After one year in another state, the word had traveled through the neighborhood about me and my hunting friend and we ended up with more acreage then we could possibly cover. It is all about presentation and timing. Don't act and look like your family tree has no branches and be well groomed. Oh, we never payed to hunt these areas, but every year a nice gift was always sent for Christmas. Many times the only stipulation would be that we not hunt their regular gun season as they wanted to, but we could hunt with bows or ml'ers in the last month of the season. Their ground, their rules, we are just guests.
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Where I hunt pronghorns, I asked for permission at least 6 times, and was not turned down once. Now I have hundreds, maybe thousands of acres at my disposal. The only stipulation at two places was that I would be the only one with permission and to run off anyone I saw. Gladly!
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No hoarding here, either. But pronghorns move a lot, and a long ways.
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