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Aiden Fontana

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Well, here I go again, I was online the other day and came across this supposedly European matchlock pistol: http://pirates.hegewisch.net/primer_main.html

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Ok, so I have no idea what to make of this thing. Does anyone have the slightest idea to this guns historical accuracy? Because if it does turn out to be accurate, I might just go ahead and make one!

Aiden
 
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It doesn't look like anything I've seen before (at least of Euro origin), but then I don't claim to have anywhere near an encyclopedic knowledge of matchlocks. Whether it's a representation of anything historical or not I can't say, but it does look pretty cool. I'd say go ahead and build one if it strikes your fancy. :hatsoff:
 
Looking at the wheellock illustration, I think their artist is manure. I have not seen pictures of any european matchlock pistol ever; and the only purported replica was clearly a poor-mans wheellock, style suggesting a cludge of a wheellock that couldnt afford a proper lock.

The one in this picture I think is likely to be an artists concept drawing made pistol-style for illustrative purposes.
 
I hear ya. I know how rare European matchlock pistols are. However, I came across an old Osprey book with a photo of a pistol that closely resembles that gun. There was no reference as to where it came from, and it was in great condition, which is a little fishy. So I am starting to think you may be right about it just being an artist's interpretation. But if anyone has any more ideas,I would love to hear it.
 
I think its almost a law of nature that one MUST exist, or have existed once. However its likely that this hypothetical came about from someone wanting a pistol based on knowing of wheellock pistols, and not having access for cost or technical skill reasons. EG, the former wheellock caliver of Henry VIII in the Tower, changed to matchlock after the lock was re-used, damaged or lost.

Can you get a scan of that book illustration, and its publication details for us? The wider you spread the enquiry...
 
they might not be correct but mine is sure fun to shoot.would'nt mind getting another chuck
 
Hello all. I thought I would ask this question to an expert in Europe. Here is his reply. Hope this helps. :hatsoff: Rick.

Hi Rick,


This a basic question often asked.


First of all we should define a matchlock pistol, strictly confining it to a small and single-handed firearm that was actually ignited by an attached matchlock mechanism. Just any short 'handgonne' without a matchlock mechanism which had to be ignited externally by either a hand-held length of matchcord, an igniting iron or a linstock is NOT a matchlock.

There are many 'reproductions' around, all claiming to be made 'after an original' but none of these 'originals' has actually ever been presented.


Original European period artwork does not give one single evidence of any firearm employing a matchlock mechanism and light and short enough to be meant for single-handed use.

On the other hand we cannot exclude categorically that they existed, however useless as they must have been; remember, pistols in the 16th c. were only used on horseback and all pieces, both actually surviving and such depicted in period works or art, are mounted with a wheellock which in those days was called the self-igniting lock, in contrast to the matchlock.

It is also true that in Japan and other Far Eastern countries matchlock pistols seem to have been in use since the 16th c., and they all are based on (and were made in the same, almost unaltered style for centuries as) samples imported from Central Europe.


Only one single and completely original 16th c. matchlock pistol is known to have survived but it is clearly an exemptive 'high-tech' weapon: with three manually turned barrels, which actually makes it a matchlock revolver. Each barrel is fitted with its own pan and pivoting cover, plus rear sight with an additional tube and bead foresight; no provision for a trigger guard.
It is made in clearly North Italian (Brescian?) style, ca. 1530's, and preserved in the Doges Palace Venice, inv.no. B 83: 53 cm long overall, the barels 29.9 cm, bore, 10 mm, weight 1490 grams (attachments).

In the reserve collection of the Ashmolean Museum Oxford, I detected and photographed a detached bundle of three barrels, obviously from the same type of firearm but with an additional muzzle ring including a ramrod recess; on two of the barrels the faint rest of an unidentified maker's mark can be seen, and two of the sighting tubes are missing (attachments below).


That's it for European matchlock pistols. Worldwide.
 
A photo.......

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Wow! Thanks everybody. Now somebody said that they had one that was really fun to shoot. Any photos?
Aiden
 
I'd love to know more specifics on that revolver. I wonder, for example, how the barrels locked into place (assuming they did). Some kind of manually operated spring loaded detent perhaps? :hmm:
 
I have only seen pictures of two different European matchlock pistols. The first one is similar to a Brescian wheellock, as can be seen below.

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The other is a German matchlock pistol that resembles a 1640's German wheellock. It is pictured in an article by R. H. McCrory. I will attempt to scan and post a picture this weekend.
 
I have actually seen something like that before. Supposedly, it was used for training the cavalry, as the wheelocks used in battle were far to expensive to use for target practice. Thanks a lot for this picture. It's fantastic.

Aiden
 
Hi all. Response I received ref this pistol in the photo:

Hi Rick,


This 'matchlock' pistol is an interesting instance of a former North Italian, most certainly Brescian, wheellock holster pistol of ca. 1635-40, altered probably in the 19th c. to convey the impression of a matchlock. The present lock is a complete dummy, maybe a crude replacement for the missing original wheellock mechanism; the whole item may even be a 19th c. production.

The position of the serpentine is not correct either; it should turn to the right by ca. 45 degrees.
Moreover, original matchlock serpentines were never atached by means of a screw; they were always riveted.
The trigger too is fantasy style.
 
Its similarities with wheellocks are obvious - the lockplate shape, the pan cover - either its a replacement made to go on a gun that lost its wheellock, or it is an experiment by someone that didnt want to pay the cost of a wheellock.
 
Its similarities with wheellocks are obvious - the lockplate shape, the pan cover - either its a replacement made to go on a gun that lost its wheellock, or it is an experiment by someone that didnt want to pay the cost of a wheellock.
 
Hi Chris. Actually, the pistol above is what collectors often call a Victoian Copy. During the Victorian Period (about 1840-1900) in areas of Europe, exagerated antique weapons (for then) were all the rage for interior decorators. To satisfy this demand builders would assemble antique looking guns - often utilizing original parts. This was not only done with firearms, but swords and even complete suites of armor. There is actually quite a few of these weapons existing throughout the U.S. The quality of these "re-makes" varies considerably. The pistol above is probably one of the better ones I've now seen. But, they were all made for display.
I actually own a good example of one of these "dummy" pistols. As long as the subject has come up, I'll Post it in the Photos area so a wide audience can view it. Keep an eye out in the Photos section. Thanks, Rick. :hatsoff:
 
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