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Ridge

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What do you consider the max range for your 20 gauge smoothbore?

I find that mine is right around 20 yards...which I consider to be a short distance. I've tried a dozen loading combo's and it always comes back to 20 yards.

Can I do better or am I chasing ghosts?

BTW, I have a 46 inch cylinder bore barrel.
 
With a cylinder bore and a 20 ga, 20 to 25 yards is going to be about the limit in terms of effective pattern. Just depends on what you're target is. You might be able to improve on it by changing shot types/size, using plastic shotcups, etc..
 
Ridge,

Go way back on the smooth bore topics. You'll find this has almost an endless discussion. The basic idea behind your range problem is the use of fiber wads blowing up your group. Some users are using 4 over shot wads that have a small hole in them to allow air to escape during loading. Load 1 at a time. Also look at heavier shot usage like #5 as a way to increase range. Good luck.
 
As with all shotguns," range " has to do more with the size of the shot chosen( Pellet energy retained) and whether your barrel is choked. There is a difference between maximum range( physically) and "Maximum Effective Range".

All Cylinder bore guns are generall considered to have a maximum effective range for birds of 25 yards. Improved cylinder choked guns are effective to 30 yds; Modified Choked guns are effective to 35 yards, and Full Choked guns are effective out to 40 yards. These are General Rules, because to be effective at killing birds, The SHOT PATTERN must be dense enough to put enough pellets into the birds at these ranges.

The use of plastic Shotcups in modern ammunition has realistically probably extended the ranges of all Smoothbores about 5-10 yards, depending on the shot size used, and the velocity of the load. The Shotcups not only protect the lead pellets from being deformed by scraping flat sides on the outside pellets that contact the bore, but hold the shot together for some small distance outside the muzzle of the barrel, before the shot is fully affected by the air after it releases from the lighter cup.

You can use the " Time of flight" tables in the Lyman Shotshell Reloading manual( any edition) and a calculator to determine just how little the delay needs to be in releasing the shot to see how effective range is extended by plastic cups.

For a cylinder Bore Smoothbore, we can either use plastic cups, ( Necessary for non-toxic shot) or make paper shotcups that are designed to delay the release of the shot.

You can also add a few extra yards by using a larger shot size. I use #5 shot, for instance, in my cylinder bore shotgun, rather than #6 shot in my modern shotgun that is choked, to achieve a longer effective range with my MLer. I also increase the weight of the shot charged used, to add more pellets to the patterns. a MLing shotgun give you that flexibility in loading that you don't have with shotgun casings.

All this involves testing, with a given gun, and components, varying the amount of shot, or choice of shot size, and seeing how such loads pattern at various ranges. I have spent so much time shooting short targets with pistols and rifles at 25 yds. that all I need to do is close my eyes, and I can pace off the distance to within a yard. For that reason, my ability to estimate range accurately is much better than most people's abilities. I am within 2 yards pacing off 50 yards, too. I grew up in a suburban neighborhood that had 50 foot lots, so all I have to do to see " 100 yds" in my mind, is to remember looking from my parent's home to the house at the end of the block- 6 lots away.

The point is, that you need to do your testing, first on a range, where you know the measured distances, and then in a field, where at most, you only put out ranging stakes. ( Do this for hunting turkey to let you know exactly when the turkey is within range of your pattern. ) Don't hesitate to take a tape ruler out into the field with you to help you set your ranging stakes. I do this when deer hunting from a tree stand, early before the season, when I trim brush away from my shooting lanes, and set up the stand. The ranging may be just a new blaze on a tree, once I am sure of the distance. If hunting open fields, of course, you will need to take along some wooden stakes to place out in the cover( but not in the middle of any game trail.)
 
Have it jug choked .015 which is like an IM to M choke. I cut my fiber wads in half. Over powder card/half a fiber wad/shot/overshot card or two if hunting.
 
I consider 20 yds as the outside limit when using shot in my snmoothrifle .62, with any ML one must decided on what the out side range will be and live with it or cripple animals, many try to use modern gizmos, dodads, and technology to strtch the range like modern peeps and modern bullets on sidehammer rifles to treaxh out to 175 yds or more, plastic shot cups are also used to increase the range of shot, I don't know how it works or how much of a mess it makes in the barrel, I have found it easier to just use the old ways and let the gun tell you how far to shoot and stick with it, no matter how much you soup up a load there will ALWAYS be something you want to shoot pop up just ast the outside limits of your outfit.
 
I forgot to add the most important part. Most shooters can't hit a moving target at distances beyond 25 yards with any kind of consistency, with any kind of smoothbore, whether its choked or not. Most modern shotgun hunters use too much choke in their guns, shoot guns that don't fit them, and rely on alibis to explain all their misses. If they happen to shoot with people who hit consistently, they ascribe it to " Luck " and never consider tht practice, and gun fit might have some thing to do with all those hits. :hmm:

I didn't use to be so harsh on shotgunners, until I spent an afternoon shooting Doves with about 50 guys I never met before. We were at a dove hunter's heaven, with birds coming in all the time. The amount of ammo these guys shot up, the misses, the shots at more than 60 yards they tried to make, the guns they used, all made me wish I had invested money in stock in some of the ammo companies. One guy was shooting MAGNUM 4s, out of a folding stock shotgun! He complained later about how bruised his cheek was, and that he only got 4 dove for 100 rounds fired. He literally ran out of ammo before he could reach the daily limit of doves.(15).

Rifle shooters do a bit better using a smoothbore for turkey and deer hunting, as they tend to shoot at stationary targets. And, the guys who shoot the worst in the field at flying birds laugh the most at other shooters who practice clay target shooting every week. Go figure. :hmm: :thumbsup:
 
Thanks for the tips guys.

I have been to the range many times testing loads. I mean, this gun is about 4 years old now. I'm been through lots of combinations.

Jug choking is not an option. I like shooting round balls too much.

Looks like 20 yards is about as far as I'm going to be killing squirrels.
 
I've got a 20ga. Caywood Type "C" and my effective range for turkeys is 20, maybe 25 yards. I set 20 yards as my maximum that way if my range estimation is off a bit I'm still OK at the outer edge. I found my best patterns with a modest load (80gr. 3F and 1 1/8oz #6's) and using 4 o/s cards on the powder charge. I tried lots of dirrernet load combinations, up to some pretty heavy stuff (100gr. 3F and 1 3/4oz. shot) and never did any better than with the lighter loads. I also found using the heavier felt or cardboard wads always seems to loosen the pattern.

20-25 yards is plenty for pottin' squirrels if you sneak up on 'em - and that's part of the fun of the traditional ML game. :thumbsup:
 
There is nothin wrong with shooting a round ball in a jugged choke barrel. A lot of people have had good results doing that. Mike Brooks is one person that feels this way and his customers have expressed that to him. I am still working up load for my Caywood wilson which is jugged choked but have not had the time to put more dozen round to paper yet. Also I have no rear site so I need to really work on point of impact as well as cheek placement before I can personlly say it works.
 
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