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When we were Raccoon hunting back in the late 60's/early 70's, the Fur Buyers would accept either stretched and dried or frozen hides. Most of the Hunters I knew froze them, as you didn't make enough money more to pay for the stretching racks and fool around with it. There was only a dollar difference in the price back then.

Gus
Yeah, there's not a huge difference now except nearly nobody in the fur trade will buy in the round anymore. Might have something to do about not being able to find help anymore. It's is a bit of work to skin and flesh a hide, especially a fat raccoon. Beaver are even more work as they need to be rounded or tacked out or hooped, whatever way you do it.
 
Yeah, there's not a huge difference now except nearly nobody in the fur trade will buy in the round anymore. Might have something to do about not being able to find help anymore. It's is a bit of work to skin and flesh a hide, especially a fat raccoon. Beaver are even more work as they need to be rounded or tacked out or hooped, whatever way you do it.

Oh yeah, the raccoon we got were notorious for having a lot of fat and grease on them. We did scrape off most of it before we froze them, though.

BTW, have you all ever tried to make Eastern Woodland Mocs from Bison hide? I imagine it could be done, but am not sure if the hide is too thick to do it for the entire moc or if it would cost so much as to not make it worthwhile?

Gus
 
If I recall, that's the style with the center seam that goes between the first and second toe on most feet? Some patterns bring the seam up top with a pointier toe. The heavy leathers work ok on them if you keep that seam very flat. If not, it can bite. I've used a baseball style stitch that worked well, or a very fine seam with a welt worked ok also and might have lasted longer as the threads were protected more. Due to the basic shape of this style, the foot itself acts as the last and has to make it's shape with the leather. I draft a pattern for each foot and it eliminates much of this, but not all of it. That's the downfall of this pattern especially in a heavy leather. This is basically true of any center seam or pucker toe style in my experience. The heavier the leather, the more difficult the break in period. Wet them, wear them dry is best.
In my shop, the cost difference in leathers is negligible for moccasins. Labor on the hand sewn mocs is obviously more than anything I can machine sew and get away with. The seams that don't show can all be machine stitched for all but the most purist and no one would know any difference by looking. Saves some $$. I'm just practical that way when spending someone else's cash.
 
I have to confess, I have not made that exact pattern but similar. Sorry, that was before my digital camera days. I wonder what they will look like when they are stretched out to fit a foot. They appear to be a rather thin felty brain tanned leather. See how the pleats are all soft looking? In heavy leather each one of these wrinkles would be more pronounced and bigger. I've done similar styles and could certainly do something very similar to this. If you want heavy leather, I would modify it a bit as I'm sure was done a million times in the past. I've had good success P1010571.JPG with the attached pattern. These are my own and very worn, one in brain tanned moose and one in commercial moose, maybe elk...can't remember! I've done this pattern for several customers as well. Traditional bow hunters and Native American dancers. Well, I tried several times to get a better photo here but this gives you an idea of how all those pleats come together in heavy leather. The farther back you bring the seam, the more deeply pleated it must be to take up the radius. At some point, someone puts a toe plug or vamp in there and it's different again. Much of the historical differences I have seen noted have to do with where this seam is placed and whether or not there is a toe plug and what size and shape it is. I tried this pattern as I wanted a one piece moc with the seam high enough to not rake my toes. The left one is the brain tanned moose and has stretched out and dried all wonky over the years. That particular tannage is like snot when wet. They work ok when it's dry and might breath a bit better when it's very hot. Note the dust/snow collar added at the top. The commercial chrome tanned on the right has held up really well and has been re-laced with new insoles several times. Those are about 25 years old. I did add some rubber grindage to the soles for daily use. Not entirely historically correct, but a nice addition that avoids slippage and some wet grass problems. So, that's my $.02 on using heavy leather in a patter with extremely gathered toe area. Yes, it can be done.
 
I tried this pattern as I wanted a one piece moc with the seam high enough to not rake my toes.

Amanda,

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience, I very much appreciate it.

I quoted your above sentence, as it reminds me exactly why I came to absolutely loathe side seam moccasins with sewn edges and turned inside out as per the basic pattern in the book "The Indian Tipi: Its History, Construction, And Use, " by Reginald and Gladys Laubin. (SUPERB book on constructing and using a Tipi, but I became convinced the side seam moccasin pattern came from a tribe that was into Sadomasochism.) They not only rake the toes, but also around the side of each foot. With 26 years in the Marine Corps, I was a personal expert at what happens to feet when their coverings rub them wrong and/or the foot coverings/boots don't fit. I think I wore the set of side seam moccasins I made no more than two or three times before ripping the stitches out and using the leather for something else. After that, I got a pair of Dyer Shoe Pacs as those were seen in the 1970's as being "historically correct," or at least enough so for those of us who didn't have tough feet.

Since I returned to the 18th century some time ago, I have wondered if there was a period moccasin that can be made with thick enough leather, that I would think to try them for something other than a "camp moc" for relazing after taking of period shoes.

Gus

 
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