moccasins

[medic83]

Hello all,I was wondering if the high top moccasin kit from crazy crow is worth the money. Has anyone made one of these kits and if so would one be able to swap out the latigo soles for rawhide and make hardsoles for the kit or is it easier to make your own with a pattern. Any info would be appreciated.

 

[chipper]

I just finished a crazy crow hard sole moc. The mocs lasted all of about 4 days walking around in camp and the leather gave way. I would suggest going to a leather shop and purchasing leather that you can hand pick. It takes quite along time to stitch up mocs, if you do it right. I won't be buying anymore kits that I can't inspect the leather on anymore.

Regards
Loyd Shindelbower
Loveland Colorado

 

[Desert Rat]

4 days? wow, I made a pair that has lasted 2 days of hunting and seem to be able to do more. I did tear the sides of them a bit because of a fitting issue. I agree, the leather was a lot lighter than I expected. I'm in the process of making a heavier pair (that will also fit better now that I know how to work the pattern.

 

[Black Hand]

Save your money and make your own. Buy the best leather you can afford, it will pay for itself in the end. Moccasin making is a valuable skill to have, and is well worth learning.....

 

[mrbortlein]

medic83,
If you are wanting good quality leather use elk or buffalo. My in-laws have used Spotted pony traders for over 20 yrs for leather products. spottedponytraders.com
mrbortlein

 

[medic83]

many thanks fellas,I had been tossing around getting the pattern and trying to do it by myself but had saw that kit and was wondering about it. sounds like you guys just saved me some money. A second question then does the pattern for the high top moccasins have decent instructions for a first time moccasin maker? From the looks of it you guys save the newbies alot of aggrevations and money haha

 

[Black Hand]

Get yourself a copy of "Craft Manual of North American Indian Footwear" by George M White. Look through it and find a style that is appropriate for your persona. He gives instructions on how to measure and sew quite a few styles.

 

[FPDoc]

I'll second the recommendation of "Craft Manual of North American Indian Footwear" by George M White. It's an excellent 71pg booklet with patterns and instructions for 26 different types/styles of moccasins and information that really gives you an understanding of how this type of footwear goes together and how the patterns are made. In my opinion it's worth every penny.

 

[Black Hand]

Just don't loan it out, as it doesn't come back! I'm on my 3rd or 4th copy right now....

 

[chipper]

http://www.nativetech.org/clothing/index.html
go here and the patterns are free....
Regards

 

[Johnny Tremain]

Arrow Mocs

Bought my only pair of mocs from these guys in 1993. I use them every year for just about every rondy in these parts.

Tho one of the staps broke a few years back, I repaired it. Nay a hole any where, to enclude the bottoms.

I also got the dry socks award at rondy, for having the only dry sock out of 300 pilgrims one year.

It your feet, dont mess around

 

[xxgrampa]

johnny,

looked at their site.. which mocs did you get?

thanks and ..ttfn..grampa..

 

[Johnny Tremain]

First off, I didnt see that this was in the craftman's forum, so sorry about store boughts.

Next I gave you the wrong URL.

This One

These are the ones I use:

My Mocs

 

[the Black Spot]

the shoe pac is fairly easy to make, just takes time to sew it. if you use softer leather, you can then sew on a harder sole(s).
i am working on a pair right now with beaver hide(hair on) for the sole part. they will have wool center seem style inserts.

 

[FV Rago]

I second, third, and forth on the Arrow French Can. mocs.

I picked up a pair about 6 years ago, I wear them all during fall bow season and all through late (Dec. to Feb.) hog season.

They are comfy, protect from stickers and brush, and pretty much water proof unless you stand in the creek.

Don't know how much they are going for now, but they are worth it.


I have made mocs in the past, just not my thang. They are just not as comfy as the Arrows or as durable.

 

[LRB]

I second Loyds suggestion. If your looking for PC mocks, the kits are not correct anyway, and neither are the centerseams shown in that book mentioned. A correct center seam mock has no seam under the toes. They are gathered at the toes to prevent that, like shown on the site Loyd gave.