Molybdenum disulfide

[bptactical]

Gonna keep it simple: if it slides, grease it, if it rotates oil it.
WD-40 is a horrific lubricant, I have "repaired" more than my share of modern firearms that have been sludged up with dried up WD-40.
Ever wonder what WD-40 stands for?
"Water Displacement, formula 40"
The carrier is kerosene and it is a silicone based solution.
Great for displacing moisture if you wash your engine or dunk your shotgun in the drink but for lubricating?
Nope.

 

[smo]

Not everyone is into the HC/PC aspect of the game.

Even those who are, of which I’ve met many.

They all seem to drive modern vehicles too the shoots and most are carrying weapons made of modern materials...

Sorry, but we are all living in a “Fantasy World “ when it comes to Muzzleloading.

Some more so than others....

 

[George]

Not everyone is into the HC/PC aspect of the game.

And even fewer understand it.

Spence

 

[Black Hand]

Not everyone is into the HC/PC aspect of the game.
Even those who are, of which I’ve met many.
They all seem to drive modern vehicles too the shoots and most are carrying weapons made of modern materials...
Sorry, but we are all living in a “Fantasy World “ when it comes to Muzzleloading.
Some more so than others....

And even fewer understand it.
Spence

Too many people react to the concept of HC/PC like it is a disease to be extirpated and the comment above only serves to partially illustrate this misunderstanding. Driving a modern vehicle or shooting a gun made of modern materials have NOTHING to do with HC/PC, rather it is a way of embracing the past by living according to the rules/limitations of the past (and a great many other things). Using modern materials, vehicles or tools have very little/nothing to do with it....

 

[Baxter]

Prior to the American revolution, production of things like gunpowder, lead, firearms, etc... in the colonies was highly controlled by the King of England. Most powder was imported.
So making your own then would likely have been illegal, just as it would be today.

Making blackpowder for personal use IS lawful per the BATFE. This is specifically addressed in the ATF FEL&R.

 

[TFoley]

I feel like such a Luddite for just using Bear oil...

And we know THAT works. I've never heard a squeaky bear.

 

[smo]

Too many people react to the concept of HC/PC like it is a disease to be extirpated and the comment above only serves to partially illustrate this misunderstanding. Driving a modern vehicle or shooting a gun made of modern materials have NOTHING to do with HC/PC, rather it is a way of embracing the past by living according to the rules/limitations of the past (and a great many other things). Using modern materials, vehicles or tools have very little/nothing to do with it....

Hand,
My point in the above post was that not everyone strives too be totally HC/PC.

Those that do shouldn't chastise those who don't, Those that don't should appreciate the extra efforts of those that do.

I for one like the old ways of doing things, I just don't get as involved in that part of the sport as some others do.

I'm more into the shooting/hunting side of the Sport,not so much the HC/PC side of things.

The comment on modern materials was just that, point being that as hard as one tries to be HC/PC in reality we live in a modern world.
With modern materials the Primitive Lifestyle as we know it has
too be much easier than that of our Forefathers...

Too each his own...Back to doin' your on thang' again.

 

[Black Hand]

The comment on modern materials was just that, point being that as hard as one tries to be HC/PC in reality we live in a modern world.
With modern materials the Primitive Lifestyle as we know it has to be much easier than that of our Forefathers.

You're still missing the point...

Please explain how modern materials make living primitively easier? I'm curious to see what you mean.
A modern woven blanket is still a blanket, a period reproduction gun made of modern materials still functions exactly like a period gun, a modern steel blade is still a knife, bacon is still bacon, linen and moccasins still linen and moccasins. Even if made on modern machinery or from modern raw materials, the final product isn't appreciably different from a period product and doesn't confer any advantage. Yes - we have replaced the horse, but when we travel on a Scout, we do so on foot, snowshoes, by horse, by water, etc. I'm no more (or less) cold, wet, hungry, tired, thirsty, etc. than they would have been...

Admittedly, because of modern medicine, we aren't dying in childbirth/childhood, from preventable/treatable diseases or bad water, but this has little effect on "living the primitive lifestyle" and really isn't even a consideration.

 

[Black Hand]

Now, if you mean using modern materials such as polar-fleece, Gore-tex, snow machines, inflatable kayaks, compressed gas stoves, freeze-dried space food, rubber, synthetics, centerfire guns, and lighters - then yes, they do make life in the woods easier. But that really isn't living primitively is it?

 

[smo]

Don’t fool yourself, you may be missing the point.

How many people do you think camp these days without a cooler?

I’ve been too several Rendezvous in various areas of our Country and haven’t seen anyone without one yet, at least not if they’re planning on staying very long.

How many take canned food along? Drinks? Meds? Toiletries ? Heaters? A dry change of clothing or two?

How many people this day and time do you think could survive out there living off of the land with only the items they can carry .....Not many.

Try it I bet you don’t eat very regularly .

People’s mentality was different back then , they knew what had to be done to survive.

In today’s World if a person hasn’t received survival training or prepared themselves in some way for what’s to come and proven too themselves over time they can survive ,they wouldn’t last long.

We weren’t born into like most where back in the day.

All I’m saying is things are totally different in doing a short trek or camping for a few days vs doing it full time in a life or death situation.

It always amazes me how some want to look down upon others because they don’t count every linen stitch or even every fake sinew stitch.

That’s the modern materials I’m referring too.

HC / PC too me would mean , if you eat you gotta’ kill it , pick it or grow it.

Not just pertaining too ones gear and such.... if your going to fake one thing you might as well fake them all.

Just keep it covered so no one can see.....

Just my 2 cents worth .... not that it really matters at all.

 

[Black Hand]

Don’t fool yourself, you may be missing the point.

How many people do you think camp these days without a cooler?

I’ve been too several Rendezvous in various areas of our Country and haven’t seen anyone without one yet, at least not if they’re planning on staying very long.

How many take canned food along? Drinks? Meds? Toiletries ? Heaters? A dry change of clothing or two?

How many people this day and time do you think could survive out there living off of the land with only the items they can carry .....Not many.

Try it I bet you don’t eat very regularly .

People’s mentality was different back then , they knew what had to be done to survive.

In today’s World if a person hasn’t received survival training or prepared themselves in some way for what’s to come and proven too themselves over time they can survive ,they wouldn’t last long.

We weren’t born into like most where back in the day.

All I’m saying is things are totally different in doing a short trek or camping for a few days vs doing it full time in a life or death situation.

It always amazes me how some want to look down upon others because they don’t count every linen stitch or even every fake sinew stitch.

That’s the modern materials I’m referring too.

HC / PC too me would mean , if you eat you gotta’ kill it , pick it or grow it.

Not just pertaining too ones gear and such.... if your going to fake one thing you might as well fake them all.

Just keep it covered so no one can see.....

Just my 2 cents worth .... not that it really matters at all.

You've listed a number of excuses why people attack PC/HC. You can just hear the inner voice say - "It's impossible to be 100%, so I won't even bother to try...."

 

[smo]

Dream on Brother! The choice is yours, not everyone strives for profection . I’m not attacking anything only making a statement that times and people are different now.

It appears to me you are making excuses why it’s ok to use such items.

Pull that canvas on up on the cooler quick ! Hide the soda cans , is that a plastic bottle?

Get real Dude!

 

[Black Hand]

Dream on Brother! The choice is yours, not everyone strives for profection . I’m not attacking anything only making a statement that times and people are different now.

It appears to me you are making excuses why it’s ok to use such items.

Pull that canvas on up on the cooler quick ! Hide the soda cans , is that a plastic bottle?

Get real Dude!

I don't need a cooler and have done without (have carried fresh meat and bacon without refrigeration for up to 3 days without problems). My kitchen box is stocked with dried foods (barley, cornmeal, dried ginger, salt, red & black pepper, wild rice, rice, beans, etc.) that could feed 5-6 people for a week or better. I don't bring or often drink soda and use glass bottles/gourds/period pottery for the liquids I do bring. I don't bring a heater and my changes of clothing are period clothes. No canned foods to be seen and my toileteries consist of a Castile soap, hand-made horn comb, bone-handled toothbrush and tooth-powder, all things that were available. Drinks consist of Rum and Shrub, both of which were available and period drinks. Last I checked, linen was period and I don't use artificial sinew to sew anything. The materials used in my clothing are cotton, linen and wool and the clothing made according to period patterns. My one cheat is paraffin candles instead of beeswax or tallow, but only during rendezvous. Even in the period, people bought goods, so the kill it/grow it/pick it is meaningless.

Not sure what the problem is...

 

[smo]

You are so right!

It is meaningless , you must be a big ol’ boy to hand carry all that stuff !

Three days , three weeks .... enjoy your trip.

That’s all Folks !

 

[Crewdawg445]

Don’t fool yourself, you may be missing the point.

How many people do you think camp these days without a cooler?

I’ve been too several Rendezvous in various areas of our Country and haven’t seen anyone without one yet, at least not if they’re planning on staying very long.

How many take canned food along? Drinks? Meds? Toiletries ? Heaters? A dry change of clothing or two?

How many people this day and time do you think could survive out there living off of the land with only the items they can carry .....Not many.

Try it I bet you don’t eat very regularly .

People’s mentality was different back then , they knew what had to be done to survive.

In today’s World if a person hasn’t received survival training or prepared themselves in some way for what’s to come and proven too themselves over time they can survive ,they wouldn’t last long.

We weren’t born into like most where back in the day.

All I’m saying is things are totally different in doing a short trek or camping for a few days vs doing it full time in a life or death situation.

It always amazes me how some want to look down upon others because they don’t count every linen stitch or even every fake sinew stitch.

That’s the modern materials I’m referring too.

HC / PC too me would mean , if you eat you gotta’ kill it , pick it or grow it.

Not just pertaining too ones gear and such.... if your going to fake one thing you might as well fake them all.

Just keep it covered so no one can see.....

Just my 2 cents worth .... not that it really matters at all.

I for one don't do the vous, for the reasons you mentioned. I don't use a cooler, I eat period foods that are in my market wallet that are grown and dried (by me) meat that is harvested and dried (by me) use no modern amenities, I sleep with one 100% off white wool Witney blanket in period cloths that are handmade by me, I brush my teeth with wood ash, crap in the woods and wipe my rear with mullien leaves yatta yatta it goes on... Most people don't like my style of ruffing it, but it's all for my own experience and personal gratification.

One can be very HC if they want in a modern world. Thing is I see the vast majority of individuals on this forum anymore who can't distinguish the reality in it.

What I mean by that is we ALL live in a modern world in modern homes, drive modern cars, and shop in modern stores, some more than others. I grow allot of my food, I hunt for meat, tan my own hides and what have you for my HC hobby or "alternative lifestyle" just to name a few out of many. When we partake in our above mentioned alternative lifestyle the modern world is gone. I think there is much confusion as to what exactly historically correct is.

I partake in jurried events because I for one care about the authenticity, it's hard work but rewarding work, not for everyone and that's okay.

To end I've received allot of military training and have been downrange on multiple occasions as well, some of my historically correct standards have proven very useful and they do carry over into my daily life in more instances than not. I agree that allot of individuals would be very adversely affected by the lack of no survival skills for extended periods.

In short, doing period things in a modern world isn't hard. Just comes down to how obsessed are you?

To add, I'm planning a period trek this spring in garb with period equipment to traverse Mount Le Conte in the smokey mountains, anyone interested in attending?

 

[smo]

I for one don't do the vous, for the reasons you mentioned. I don't use a cooler, I eat period foods that are in my market wallet that are grown and dried (by me) meat that is harvested and dried (by me) use no modern amenities, I sleep with one 100% off white wool Witney blanket in period cloths that are handmade by me, I brush my teeth with wood ash, crap in the woods and wipe my rear with mullien leaves yatta yatta it goes on... Most people don't like my style of ruffing it, but it's all for my own experience and personal gratification.

One can be very HC if they want in a modern world. Thing is I see the vast majority of individuals on this forum anymore who can't distinguish the reality in it.

What I mean by that is we ALL live in a modern world in modern homes, drive modern cars, and shop in modern stores, some more than others. I grow allot of my food, I hunt for meat, tan my own hides and what have you for my HC hobby or "alternative lifestyle" just to name a few out of many. When we partake in our above mentioned alternative lifestyle the modern world is gone. I think there is much confusion as to what exactly historically correct is.

I partake in jurried events because I for one care about the authenticity, it's hard work but rewarding work, not for everyone and that's okay.

To end I've received allot of military training and have been downrange on multiple occasions as well, some of my historically correct standards have proven very useful and they do carry over into my daily life in more instances than not. I agree that allot of individuals would be very adversely affected by the lack of no survival skills for extended periods.

In short, doing period things in a modern world isn't hard. Just comes down to how obsessed are you?

To add, I'm planning a period trek this spring in garb with period equipment to traverse Mount Le Conte in the smokey mountains, anyone interested in attending?

Nothing wrong with doing it the right way Dawg!

The ones I see at mostly at the vous’ are the ones with split tongues...

Sounds like an exciting trip your planning, keep us informed .

 

[Crewdawg445]

All good! Trying to actually get a group together for the trip which certainly should be memorable!

 

[smo]

Yea ,I know Dawg I’m sure it will be .

Good Luck

 

[Ron Nance]

This will probably get me tossed off this board, but I don't really care. In case you don't know this area of the Forum is titled "Flintlock Rifles". The question asked was if anyone had used Molybdenum sulfide on their Flintlock rifle. No where in the question was it asked if using it was PC/HC to use it. Yet the thread got hijacked in a pissing contest about PC/HC. If you want to be PC/HC, great. To make a commit as to it being PC/HC correct in your opinion, great. But please leave it there. To hijack this area of the board for your PC/HC correct agenda is rude and improper. So why don't you take yourself(s) to that area of the board and discuss it there. Could it be that it's a non starter? I'm here to read about Flintlock Rifles not if something's PC/HC. The monitors of this board needs to stop this crapso those who aren't PC/HC Correct can enjoy our love of muzzleloading. Have a Great New Year.

 

[hawkeye2]

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