Mountain Men; ultimate marksmen

[S.Kenton]

Anyone else but me catch the first episode?
If so what’s your thoughts?

 

[Ames]

Saw half. Went back to bed. Put me to sleep faster than warm milk.
Cringed every time that guy bounced his ramrod down the barrel like it would do something.

 

[Polecat_Tom]

IMHO watching the rain fall is more exciting. I took it off season pass. I was disappointed.

 

[appalichian hunter]

Watched about 15 mins. turned it off, Nothing mountain man there to see. Total JOKE.

 

[Polecat_Tom]

It was truly disappointing as they could have made a show that was exciting and promoted the sport.

 

[S.Kenton]

I was just curious.. I was fairly disappointed as well. I guess I expected more… heck I could go on that show and do just as well if not better than the winner of that episode did. Our woodswalks are more challenging than that.. unless I missed something?

 

[mushka]

I missed it but it sounds like I didn't miss much.

 

[TDM]

Missed it too. One less regret.

 

[Salty]

Which show is this? I have been watching a series called “Mountain Men” for years.
Is there another new series?

 

[VA Hawken]

This one was recorded after another episode of Mountain Men, which I routinely watch. Made it maybe 5 minutes into the "Marksman" variant, and then gave up. Too contrived with random skill tests, and really not at all realistic. Won't waste any more of my time with this one.

 

[Ames]

The USA team member was the worst. In slow motion segments she jerks the trigger to take a shot rather than a squeeze.
She also states that she has shot a flintlock perhaps 5 times at most. Wouldn't you want to borrow one to practice A LOT before being taped for a show?
Also, no matter even if I slow it down to one frame at a time, I can't see the projectile's path when they miss a target. Yet they can draw a line on the screen for you. This is fake tv at best. Cancel it.

 

[Salty]

Looks like a weak revival of the old series “Top Shot”

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Anyone else but me catch the first episode?
If so what’s your thoughts?

So this is how "History" channel and "Discovery" channels work...,

A lot of the shows are NOT done "in house". Which is why when they get low on new content you get stuff like Ice Road Truckers and Ax Men... having absolutely NOTHING to do with history.

An independent company puts together an idea for a show. They usually do one episode OR they do a pilot episode that the public never actually sees. They show this to an executive at the company, and if the exec likes the show it gets "green lighted" aka "green lit" or "lit", and the show is bought. There is an agreed upon price per episode, and sometimes the production company is paid up front, or sometimes a portion of the money is given to produce the episodes and the cash paid afterward. THEN the show is owned in many cases by the buying company, and there may be residual payments every time they run an episode as a re-run.

IF the company likes the production it's more likely to green light future programs.

A little more than 15 years ago I worked with a production company that was trying to sell a program to Discovery, which was located back then in Silver Spring, Maryland. This is how I learned how the programming is done. In fact when I asked, "What exactly do you think Discovery will want in a history weapons show?"..., the answer was "BOOOM." So our first episode was going to be on the original hand grenade as one hears about in the song British Grenadiers.... for our idea was to show a modern weapon or weapons, then back track that in history to the original concept, and show how the stuff worked back then. Alas Discovery laid off a bunch of executives during our negotiations, and the guy who was green lighting us was one of those axed. Nobody else was interested....

So one of the keys was and is for the production company to keep costs down, especially if they have not done a project for the buyer in the past, for the less cash they spend in production, the more profit margin they get when finally paid.

So they put together shows such as this..., when they know very little..., hunting for "experts" that are more easy to find and with open schedules and are geographically close than they are expert... and this is what you get. If you research the show, it's only 8 episodes. That's a bare minimum, which tells you the show is either brand new, or they know it's not that good, or both. There are 52 weeks in a year, and 23-26 episodes of a show are normally considered a "season".... You can go with 12-13 episodes but that means that another show is also being done for the same time slot, and they are going to trade the shows off, yours this week, the other next week, yours the third week... etc.

Since the producers and director don't really know much if anything about the subject matter, that's why you get "experts" that whang ramrods down, instead of one of the guys asking the person loading "You don't bounce the ramrod off the load a few times when loaded?" followed by the reply "Nope, that deforms the bullet causing it to fly wrong, and patched round ball itself doesn't grab onto the rifling." Sure, a staged question, but such staged questions are part of such shows to help to share with the audience what is actually going on, and why...

Instead these shows try to come up with some kockamayme shooting "challenge" and a title for the winner, and some cash ($10,000.00 is pitifully small for a TV show prize ; so also demonstrates "new, low budget show".) Lots of "trash talking" will be part of the episodes, no doubts...

LD

 

[shorthair]

It was truly disappointing as they could have made a show that was exciting and promoted the sport.

I doubt that promoting the sport was part of what they planned, I think that they probably want to portray shooters as idiots like most of the media does.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

I doubt that promoting the sport was part of what they planned, I think that they probably want to portray shooters as idiots like most of the media does.

Naw, I doubt there is anything that nefarious. The production company wants to "get in and get out" with as much profit as possible, so..., the least amount of effort, ... for more effort in the production means more money they spend and not keep.

LD

 

[garypl]

Just watched it - not too impressed

 

[nhmoose]

Can't get back the time I wasted watching that JUNK.

 

[Blackpowder Therapist]

I was just curious.. I was fairly disappointed as well. I guess I expected more… heck I could go on that show and do just as well if not better than the winner of that episode did. Our woodswalks are more challenging than that.. unless I missed something?

Care to challenge me then?
I am the winner of the episode.

The bouncing of the ramrod is because I'm used to shooting N-ssa and its the cadence I use to seat the round.

 

[Blackpowder Therapist]

So this is how "History" channel and "Discovery" channels work...,

A lot of the shows are NOT done "in house". Which is why when they get low on new content you get stuff like Ice Road Truckers and Ax Men... having absolutely NOTHING to do with history.

An independent company puts together an idea for a show. They usually do one episode OR they do a pilot episode that the public never actually sees. They show this to an executive at the company, and if the exec likes the show it gets "green lighted" aka "green lit" or "lit", and the show is bought. There is an agreed upon price per episode, and sometimes the production company is paid up front, or sometimes a portion of the money is given to produce the episodes and the cash paid afterward. THEN the show is owned in many cases by the buying company, and there may be residual payments every time they run an episode as a re-run.

IF the company likes the production it's more likely to green light future programs.

A little more than 15 years ago I worked with a production company that was trying to sell a program to Discovery, which was located back then in Silver Spring, Maryland. This is how I learned how the programming is done. In fact when I asked, "What exactly do you think Discovery will want in a history weapons show?"..., the answer was "BOOOM." So our first episode was going to be on the original hand grenade as one hears about in the song British Grenadiers.... for our idea was to show a modern weapon or weapons, then back track that in history to the original concept, and show how the stuff worked back then. Alas Discovery laid off a bunch of executives during our negotiations, and the guy who was green lighting us was one of those axed. Nobody else was interested....

So one of the keys was and is for the production company to keep costs down, especially if they have not done a project for the buyer in the past, for the less cash they spend in production, the more profit margin they get when finally paid.

So they put together shows such as this..., when they know very little..., hunting for "experts" that are more easy to find and with open schedules and are geographically close than they are expert... and this is what you get. If you research the show, it's only 8 episodes. That's a bare minimum, which tells you the show is either brand new, or they know it's not that good, or both. There are 52 weeks in a year, and 23-26 episodes of a show are normally considered a "season".... You can go with 12-13 episodes but that means that another show is also being done for the same time slot, and they are going to trade the shows off, yours this week, the other next week, yours the third week... etc.

Since the producers and director don't really know much if anything about the subject matter, that's why you get "experts" that whang ramrods down, instead of one of the guys asking the person loading "You don't bounce the ramrod off the load a few times when loaded?" followed by the reply "Nope, that deforms the bullet causing it to fly wrong, and patched round ball itself doesn't grab onto the rifling." Sure, a staged question, but such staged questions are part of such shows to help to share with the audience what is actually going on, and why...

Instead these shows try to come up with some kockamayme shooting "challenge" and a title for the winner, and some cash ($10,000.00 is pitifully small for a TV show prize ; so also demonstrates "new, low budget show".) Lots of "trash talking" will be part of the episodes, no doubts...

LD

The show is brand new.

 

[Blackpowder Therapist]

Care to challenge me then?
I am the winner of the episode.

The bouncing of the ramrod is because I'm used to shooting N-ssa and its the cadence I use to seat the round.

Yes I'm aware you're not supposed to bounce on a roundball. While in the moment I fell to old rythems.
The course was harder than it looked. Lots of obstructions. Etc.