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Anyone on this forum have Selb Rifle that is not a half stocked Hawken styled Rifle? Just curious as to what people think of them. I have one of his Hawken's that I picked up on this forum and man! It is certainly a nice rifle, very happy with it!!! I guess one would call his flint full stocked version a Leman?

https://hawkenrifles.com/fullflint.shtml
 
@Rod Man, the Selb full stock flint lock rifle shouldn't be called a Leman Rifle. Wrong trigger guard, Leman would likely have a brass trigger guard, other hardware and the architecture would be more of a Pennsylvania school of rifle architecture.

It would be called a very nice interpretation of what a full stock J&S Hawken flint lock rifle could have looked like.

Leman Trade Rifle
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@Rod Man, the Selb full stock flint lock rifle shouldn't be called a Leman Rifle. Wrong trigger guard, Leman would likely have a brass trigger guard, other hardware and the architecture would be more of a Pennsylvania school of rifle architecture.

It would be called a very nice interpretation of what a full stock J&S Hawken flint lock rifle could have looked like.

Leman Trade Rifle
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Aah!,

Yeah, I should have known that.

Thanks for keeping me straight!

I am so pleased with the one I have, that I am considering getting one of those in 40. I spoke with him already and it would be a thin, trim true blue shooter. I have a few “Long” rifles. I am thinking that a short 36” full stocked flint gun would be handy. I tried to have one made locally but that turned out to be a disaster and had to walk away.

So, the J&S early style…would it be considered historically valid? Late 1830’s?

Or no better than a Lyman flint gun / historical fantasy? I don’t mean that in a negative way. As I hunted with a flint Lyman for 30 years.

Historically speaking.



RM
 
The Selb Hawken incorporates what it is known of a full stock J&S Hawken rifle in percussion. Up until 1730 the Hawken brothers mostly repaired rifles. The Ashley rifle is documented as being built in 1826. Percussion caps were so new at that time that it is most likely that the rifle built for Ashley had to be a flintlock, but even that bit of speculation can't be substantiated. When Sam was interviewed at 80 years of age, he recalled that they built Ashley a special rifle with a 1 ounce ball and a long barrel. The lock type was not mentioned.

Your Selb rifle is a rifle that could have been made on the 1825 to 1835 time frame. We just can't verify how many could have been flintlocks. Or how many rifles were made. Production numbers would have been low.

@Rod Man, enjoy your rifle.
 
Anyone on this forum have Selb Rifle that is not a half stocked Hawken styled Rifle? Just curious as to what people think of them. I have one of his Hawken's that I picked up on this forum and man! It is certainly a nice rifle, very happy with it!!! I guess one would call his flint full stocked version a Leman?

https://hawkenrifles.com/fullflint.shtml
I need advice on how to re-pour a pewter nose cap. I finall received my Selb squirrel rifle, NIB, and the nose cap is so poorly done that it needs to be re-poured. He didn't finish the shaping or any polishing, and the wood curves are jaggedy, symmetry terrible. Any advice on how to remove this? Am I going to have to melt it off? I basically have to re-build the entire rifle. 2800.00$ and three years down the toilet. Pictures available on request.
 
I need advice on how to re-pour a pewter nose cap. I finall received my Selb squirrel rifle, NIB, and the nose cap is so poorly done that it needs to be re-poured. He didn't finish the shaping or any polishing, and the wood curves are jaggedy, symmetry terrible. Any advice on how to remove this? Am I going to have to melt it off? I basically have to re-build the entire rifle. 2800.00$ and three years down the toilet. Pictures available on request.
I would contact the builder for answers or fixes. A gun costing that much should be perfect and i wouldn’t fix anything without giving the builder a chance to make it right.
 
I need advice on how to re-pour a pewter nose cap. I finall received my Selb squirrel rifle, NIB, and the nose cap is so poorly done that it needs to be re-poured. He didn't finish the shaping or any polishing, and the wood curves are jaggedy, symmetry terrible. Any advice on how to remove this? Am I going to have to melt it off? I basically have to re-build the entire rifle. 2800.00$ and three years down the toilet. Pictures available on request.
I wouldn't mind seeing a couple of pictures. I'm shocked since the rifles on the website look fantastic.
Thanks.
 
I ordered one of his Hawkens 4 years ago. Quoted an 18 month build time.

3 years later and he hadn’t started. Asked for a refund. Told me he had to sell the parts first to make up the funds.

A year has passed and despite multiple attempts he still hasn’t sent my $1000 deposit back. I am seriously considering legal action.

I wouldn’t do business with Brandt Selb if he was the last rifle builder on earth.
 
I ordered one of his Hawkens 4 years ago. Quoted an 18 month build time.

3 years later and he hadn’t started. Asked for a refund. Told me he had to sell the parts first to make up the funds.

A year has passed and despite multiple attempts he still hasn’t sent my $1000 deposit back. I am seriously considering legal action.

I wouldn’t do business with Brandt Selb if he was the last rifle builder on earth.
WOW!
 
Sorry you are dissatisfied with your purchase but in my opinion it's really not as bad as you are saying. Not saying it shouldn't please you but are you perhaps being a little overly critical? Have you examined pewter caps on originals much? Some are pretty wonky. It's a handmade rifle done in a workman like manner. Alot of money I know. Can't really see what is wrong with the lock. Sometimes they are not flush. Can you post some pictures of the whole rifle please? It's tough to criticize someone's work when you don't know how to do it yourself. I wouldn't recommend trying to redo it. Leave it as is and enjoy it. Please don't take my post the wrong way or consider it an attack. I'm not familiar with this builder or his rifles so I am not defending him either. Look forward to seeing the entire rifle.
 
Overly Critical? This is not a 150-year-old rifle. This is a new, 2800.00$ custom rifle, ordered as a specific style of rifle, my choosing this builder (Brant Selb), partly based on many on-line recommendations. If you have low standards of quality, that's fine- but I had higher expectations based on price and reputation. Parts price out around 1000.00$ give or take. Yes, it is as bad as I am saying. The lock is not flush with the stock because he was simply lazy and did not remove enough wood to clear a couple internal bolt heads. Look at a Sharps rifle, or Pedersoli, the nose caps are perfect, and these are poured and finished by hand. Mine is not only badly poured, but not even finished- he didn't even bother to finish the shaping, let alone final polishing. And yes, I do know how to do this myself, which is why I am rebuilding the rifle myself, rather than send it back to him, to wait god knows how many years for its return, only to find it in no better shape than I had first received it. He will probably just retire and screw everyone remaining on his wait list, who have deposits out (see above), etc. I will be filing in small claims court in Bend, Oregon. Probably won't win, but I have endless time and money to pursue this. It's no longer about money. It's that he is thumbing his nose at everyone, delivering a ****** product, and then saying too bad-
I'll post a picture of the whole rifle later, do not have a picture on this computer. Sure, it looks fine from ten feet away, just like I look great from across the room, but up close, maybe not so much. I hear a lot of talk of Buy American, Made in America, etc. This rifle is an embarrassment and insult to every legitimate rifle builder out there. Go ahead and order a rifle from him, then write back in three or four years to tell me how you feel.
"Hand Made" is never an excuse for "Poorly Made".
 
I'm sorry to hear that. $2,800 is a lot of money to receive a less than perfect rifle. That's why I, at age 80, would not build anyone a rifle anymore. I built my last one last winter and it did have some minor flaws but it was just for me.
 
Craftsman don't send out sh** like that. I have a stable full of craftsman friends that would stuff that thing where the sun doesn't shine. You have every right to be angry. $500 is too much for that boat anchor.
 
Overly Critical? This is not a 150-year-old rifle. This is a new, 2800.00$ custom rifle, ordered as a specific style of rifle, my choosing this builder (Brant Selb), partly based on many on-line recommendations. If you have low standards of quality, that's fine- but I had higher expectations based on price and reputation. Parts price out around 1000.00$ give or take. Yes, it is as bad as I am saying. The lock is not flush with the stock because he was simply lazy and did not remove enough wood to clear a couple internal bolt heads. Look at a Sharps rifle, or Pedersoli, the nose caps are perfect, and these are poured and finished by hand. Mine is not only badly poured, but not even finished- he didn't even bother to finish the shaping, let alone final polishing. And yes, I do know how to do this myself, which is why I am rebuilding the rifle myself, rather than send it back to him, to wait god knows how many years for its return, only to find it in no better shape than I had first received it. He will probably just retire and screw everyone remaining on his wait list, who have deposits out (see above), etc. I will be filing in small claims court in Bend, Oregon. Probably won't win, but I have endless time and money to pursue this. It's no longer about money. It's that he is thumbing his nose at everyone, delivering a ****** product, and then saying too bad-
I'll post a picture of the whole rifle later, do not have a picture on this computer. Sure, it looks fine from ten feet away, just like I look great from across the room, but up close, maybe not so much. I hear a lot of talk of Buy American, Made in America, etc. This rifle is an embarrassment and insult to every legitimate rifle builder out there. Go ahead and order a rifle from him, then write back in three or four years to tell me how you feel.
"Hand Made" is never an excuse for "Poorly Made".
I hear ya man. Don't take it out on me. I don't have low standards either. Just sayin it didn't look that bad. Close up photos make things look worse than they are. Why I'd like to see the whole rifle. That's alot of money to be dissatisfied I know. I work for a living too. I don't know anything about this builder or his work. I'm just comparing to what good rifles go for these days. Finished Kibler kits on this sight are over 2K sometimes. I know of an excellent builder that gets 3500 for a schimmel Lehigh with no buttplate. Nothing wrong with that. He makes perfect guns in my opinion. I. Just looking at it from that perspective. Still doesn't fix your dilemma I know. What's up with the buttplate photo? Filler? Did you do that or was that the way it was?
 
Overly Critical? This is not a 150-year-old rifle. This is a new, 2800.00$ custom rifle, ordered as a specific style of rifle, my choosing this builder (Brant Selb), partly based on many on-line recommendations. If you have low standards of quality, that's fine- but I had higher expectations based on price and reputation. Parts price out around 1000.00$ give or take. Yes, it is as bad as I am saying. The lock is not flush with the stock because he was simply lazy and did not remove enough wood to clear a couple internal bolt heads. Look at a Sharps rifle, or Pedersoli, the nose caps are perfect, and these are poured and finished by hand. Mine is not only badly poured, but not even finished- he didn't even bother to finish the shaping, let alone final polishing. And yes, I do know how to do this myself, which is why I am rebuilding the rifle myself, rather than send it back to him, to wait god knows how many years for its return, only to find it in no better shape than I had first received it. He will probably just retire and screw everyone remaining on his wait list, who have deposits out (see above), etc. I will be filing in small claims court in Bend, Oregon. Probably won't win, but I have endless time and money to pursue this. It's no longer about money. It's that he is thumbing his nose at everyone, delivering a ****** product, and then saying too bad-
I'll post a picture of the whole rifle later, do not have a picture on this computer. Sure, it looks fine from ten feet away, just like I look great from across the room, but up close, maybe not so much. I hear a lot of talk of Buy American, Made in America, etc. This rifle is an embarrassment and insult to every legitimate rifle builder out there. Go ahead and order a rifle from him, then write back in three or four years to tell me how you feel.
"Hand Made" is never an excuse for "Poorly Made".
Man.. I'm sorry you've had to go through all this.. This story is what makes me scared of getting a rifle built.. I'd be paying him a visit for my money..
 

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