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I would be very sceptical of it, the "EIC" markings were not applied by the East India Company, the arms of the EIC were were made by the London trade and were of comparable quality to those issued by the British regular Army - this one is certainly not. Maybe it is one of the Khyber Pass specials that have been showing up recently?
EIC marks are in a hart shape.That lock has a ordance crown stamp in the wrong place on the lock.The EIC military was supperceeded by the crown after 1857.It is unlikely they purchased the carbine as surplus for there own issue in this time frame.It could still be a ships gun built with surplus parts but the EIC stamp does not fit
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The sheer crudeness of this piece should be the very first thing that smacks you right in the eye.
I've never seen any kind of a patchbox on a Musketoon [note spelling], either, unless it's intended to be a cap holder.
Come to think of it, I've never seen one of those either.
Given that the real thing was one of the first mass-produced interchangeable component firearms in service, you should, in theory, be able to remove every part and replace it with that of a genuine Enfield-built model. I can't do that, but what I CAN do, to while away the odd hour or so, is to blow up the pics to the same scale as my genuine item and see what fits.
As you may have guessed - nothing fits.
Anywhere.
The trigger guard should have a front extension with a special screw stud that takes a small chain to hold the nipple protector - should be all brass, too, as is usually the rule for the other furniture. The left-hand side should have two fixing screws in collars. The EIC look to have been put there using bicycle frame ID stamps, and the VR, not only too small, but un-serifed. The ramrod has the wrong terminal, the barrel bands have the wrong spacing, and the lack of proof marks [are there any anywhere that we can't see?] yet another giveaway.
That's at a quick look.
Khyber Pass frawk, Sir.
tac
I've never seen any kind of a patchbox on a Musketoon [note spelling], either, unless it's intended to be a cap holder.
Come to think of it, I've never seen one of those either.
Given that the real thing was one of the first mass-produced interchangeable component firearms in service, you should, in theory, be able to remove every part and replace it with that of a genuine Enfield-built model. I can't do that, but what I CAN do, to while away the odd hour or so, is to blow up the pics to the same scale as my genuine item and see what fits.
As you may have guessed - nothing fits.
Anywhere.
The trigger guard should have a front extension with a special screw stud that takes a small chain to hold the nipple protector - should be all brass, too, as is usually the rule for the other furniture. The left-hand side should have two fixing screws in collars. The EIC look to have been put there using bicycle frame ID stamps, and the VR, not only too small, but un-serifed. The ramrod has the wrong terminal, the barrel bands have the wrong spacing, and the lack of proof marks [are there any anywhere that we can't see?] yet another giveaway.
That's at a quick look.
Khyber Pass frawk, Sir.
tac
My thoughts are that it my be Afgan,if it is it still has some historic value, our guys are finding some odd sfuff over there.It may well be a period gun made up from captured or disgaurded british guns.That cap box has been added much later
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Pakistani, Indian, or Afgan made copy. Village blacksmiths in this region turned them out by the hundreds with incredibly crude tools and conditions. Yours seems pretty well made but I wouldn't advise shooting it. The other posters noted all of the descrepencies. Chances are few if any original parts were used in its assembly. Many of these guns were carried as designation of social rank and rarely if ever actually fired. Shooting them was an act of faith "inshallah."
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