Muzzle protector for cleaning rod.

[Zonie]

Folks:
It's against the Forum rules to make offers to sell or to buy stuff in any area outside the Classified Ad sections.
If you want to talk about buying something, please do it by using the Forum's "Conversation" private message system.

If you want to sell something, please do it in the Forum's Classified Advertisement area.

 

[Glock21user]

Folks:
It's against the Forum rules to make offers to sell or to buy stuff in any area outside the Classified Ad sections.
If you want to talk about buying something, please do it by using the Forum's "Conversation" private message system.

If you want to sell something, please do it in the Forum's Classified Advertisement area.

I have never offered anything for sale and don't plan on it at the moment.
A few casual comments brings this on, wow.
Ease up a little and realize people are just making comments and being nice.
Moderators with heavy fists on the rule book are exactly why young people stay away from sites like this and exactly why my membership will expire and I will delete the bookmark.
You my friend are the very reason I will not renew.

 

[Kansas Jake]

Glock21user, I went back and read all posts on this thread. I'm not sure Zonie was directing comments toward you. Several folks offered to buy one before your comment that if you decided to make them to sell you would let folks know. It may have seemed heavy handed but we've both read threads where folks start working a deal outside the classifieds. Stick around and continue to contribute.

 

[Glock21user]

Glock21user, I went back and read all posts on this thread. I'm not sure Zonie was directing comments toward you. Several folks offered to buy one before your comment that if you decided to make them to sell you would let folks know. It may have seemed heavy handed but we've both read threads where folks start working a deal outside the classifieds. Stick around and continue to contribute.

You are very wise, thank you.
After reading it 15 times I came to the conclusion that internet messages cannot coney anything but the written word and that can be misconstrued.
Apologies to Zonie for my short sidedness.
Rest assured I was not attempting to violate any rule in any respect.
Thank you once again @Kansas Jake

 

[kemart17]

Not a big deal overall but I made this at work to protect the crown and muzzle of some of my guns.
My 3/8 steel range/cleaning rod can't damage anything now.
I get it isn't a huge fancy job with intricate details I had to machine but it definitely does its job.
Now to knurl the shoulder and not lose it somewhere.

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very nice work!!!!

 

[Glock21user]

very nice work!!!!

Thank you very much.

 

[Zonie]

You are very wise, thank you.
After reading it 15 times I came to the conclusion that internet messages cannot coney anything but the written word and that can be misconstrued.
Apologies to Zonie for my short sidedness.
Rest assured I was not attempting to violate any rule in any respect.
Thank you once again @Kansas Jake

No need to apologize and yes, I know you didn't make any offers to sell the protectors. That is why I started my comment by saying, "Folks...."

The forum has rules and our members expect me to enforce them but it's hard for me to just blow away someones post when they just make a comment like, "I sure would like to have one of those." or similar posts because of the rule.
That's why I sometimes make little posts like the one above, just to remind folks.

Now, let's get back to talking about the neat muzzle protector you made.

 

[Glock21user]

No need to apologize and yes, I know you didn't make any offers to sell the protectors. That is why I started my comment by saying, "Folks...."

The forum has rules and our members expect me to enforce them but it's hard for me to just blow away someones post when they just make a comment like, "I sure would like to have one of those." or similar posts because of the rule.
That's why I sometimes make little posts like the one above, just to remind folks.

Now, let's get back to talking about the neat muzzle protector you made.

Your ability to understand my lack of understanding in the post is very admirable and appreciated.
Thank you.

 

[RB POWELL]

I do believe that could be an issue but i will try.
If I keep the collet end and live center end close as possible it just may work.

Looks like you might have a new line of work

 

[ADK Bigfoot]

My comment was as a compliment as in “I wish I had one of those” and not intended to be a solicitation to buy. I apologize if I started something.

ADK Bigfoot

 

[Griz44Mag]

I do use a slide over brass muzzle protector on my brass rods. They are pretty darn cheap.
Be sure to buy one that fits your rod properly - the size of rods is not the same. The bigger the rod - the better you can keep it centered.
I prefer and only use brass rods - the material is softer than the steel in the barrel - and much less likely to peen the rifling or crown.

 

[Glock21user]

I do use a slide over brass muzzle protector on my brass rods. They are pretty darn cheap.
Be sure to buy one that fits your rod properly - the size of rods is not the same. The bigger the rod - the better you can keep it centered.
I prefer and only use brass rods - the material is softer than the steel in the barrel - and much less likely to peen the rifling or crown.

The muzzle protector and the rod only have a .006 clearance so that is not and issue, the protector was reamed to size after the rod was polished.
It has been my experience that softer metals tend to have the ability to allow particulate material to become embedded in them this acting like a file.
I am not saying it is a guarantee or will happen to you just that it is my reasoning for using steel rod with a high polish.
I will make just about anything I need as opposed to buying it mostly because I enjoy making my own stuff.

 

[Griz44Mag]

The muzzle protector and the rod only have a .006 clearance so that is not and issue, the protector was reamed to size after the rod was polished.
It has been my experience that softer metals tend to have the ability to allow particulate material to become embedded in them this acting like a file.
I am not saying it is a guarantee or will happen to you just that it is my reasoning for using steel rod with a high polish.
I will make just about anything I need as opposed to buying it mostly because I enjoy making my own stuff.

I have heard that before - and I just don't see ANYTHING that could come out of a muzzleloader barrel hard enough to penetrate the brass used for cleaning rods. What about wood rods that have been used in guns for hundreds of years? I have a couple of guns with likely original rods, and they are still smooth as silk.. Having bought several premium grade barrels for long range PRS guns - every one of the barrel manufacturers recommends brass rods, for the reason stated above. The only recommendation I see for steel rods is for use in shotgun barrels. Makes sense too, no rifling to peen the ridges of. But hey, it's your gun and your rods, and I'll bet it works great for you. Making your own rods is cool...

 

[Glock21user]

I have heard that before - and I just don't see ANYTHING that could come out of a muzzleloader barrel hard enough to penetrate the brass used for cleaning rods. What about wood rods that have been used in guns for hundreds of years? I have a couple of guns with likely original rods, and they are still smooth as silk.. Having bought several premium grade barrels for long range PRS guns - every one of the barrel manufacturers recommends brass rods, for the reason stated above. The only recommendation I see for steel rods is for use in shotgun barrels. Makes sense too, no rifling to peen the ridges of. But hey, it's your gun and your rods, and I'll bet it works great for you. Making your own rods is cool...

I am not arguing your use of brass or wood and honestly couldn't care less, my use of steel is 90% because I have racks of it.
There is ZERO physical contact between the rod and any part of the barrel.
There is a jag of some sort on the dead end and a muzzle protector and handle on the live end so ZERO chance the two steels could ever touch.
I do appreciate the concern though.

 

[griffiga]

I'd take one or two as well.

 

[Glock21user]

I'd take one or two as well.

Should they become available in the future I will post in the classified section.
At the moment there is no intention of them going up for sale.
Thank you all who have showed interest, please send a private message to me if they do go up for sale.
In keeping with the forum rules please send a message privately if you have any questions.

 

[Frontier's]

Nice set up. I got this prototype around 9 years ago. Crown protector slides partially into the muzzle, adjustable collar is actually a charge height indictor letting you visibly see an error such as not seating the projectile down due to to much powder or worse, your projectile being caught up on a crud ring.

 

[Artificer]

I have heard that before - and I just don't see ANYTHING that could come out of a muzzleloader barrel hard enough to penetrate the brass used for cleaning rods. What about wood rods that have been used in guns for hundreds of years? I have a couple of guns with likely original rods, and they are still smooth as silk.. Having bought several premium grade barrels for long range PRS guns - every one of the barrel manufacturers recommends brass rods, for the reason stated above. The only recommendation I see for steel rods is for use in shotgun barrels. Makes sense too, no rifling to peen the ridges of. But hey, it's your gun and your rods, and I'll bet it works great for you. Making your own rods is cool...

It's not what comes out of a ML or even a modern barrel, it's the dust in the air and other contaminants that get stuck on the brass rods that will do the damage.

One can minimize it by wiping down the rod every time before it goes into the bore, but even dust from sand and other contaminants will abrade the bore.

Gus

 

[Artificer]

I put a small step on the bottom to hold it centered. Even at angles the weapon would never see during use it stays put.
Now no matter the circumstances I know it is centered and cannot let any rod cause damage.
I have found on the steel rack at home a 3/8 piece of high polish mild steel I use for air cylinder piston rod that will most likely be what I turn into a good usable range and cleaning rod.
Not historically correct but then again nor am I.

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Fine machining you did on that protector.

That small step you added now makes the protector more caliber specific. That's fine for that caliber and larger, but may or possibly would keep it from being used for smaller calibers.

I much prefer a protector with a tapered end like the following, because it allows me to use the protector for a wider range of calibers. I use a 1/4" rod with this kind of protector for .32 caliber and up to about .45 caliber, then a larger 3/8" rod with a larger tapered protector for .50 caliber and above.

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Gus

 

[bisleyjohn]

Made my multi-calibre from brass and ally. You can just see the Enfield ‘empty’ mark. The rod is three-piece and unscrews to fit in my range box.

I don’t use the supplied ram-rod and I always use a rod guide on my unmentionables