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I’m deaf. Really deaf in my left ear.

I should wear plugs or muffs, but I don’t. Oh well.

Centerfire rifles and front stuffers are NOTHING alike in their report.

Centerfires are “sharp”, and can hurt. Muzzleloaders are a “deader” sound to my ear. I compare it as hitting metal with a metal hammer, and hitting metal with a deadblow hammer. But again, I’m deaf.

I used to think everybody over 20 had tinnitus.
 
You only get one set of eyes and ears so protect them,artillery ears aren't good and a white stick to feel your way around town isnt going to be a comfort to you if you have an accident. Avoid breathing smoke if you can and maybe use a barrier cream for your hand if you don't want to wear gloves while handling lead a lot. At the end of the day it's upto you to make your choices on health.
 
TFoley has made a false statement. I’ve never posted these questions anywhere else nor before this post. The questions are serious and the responses are appreciated.

Y'see, Mr Off, I'm one of these odd folks who remembers things. I based a thirty-three year long career in military intelligence on my ability to recall even the most mundane things, in five languages, too. Apart from my own. In fact, I often astound and annoy Mrs tac by recalling something from sixty or more years ago that suddenly pops up in my head when the 'trigger' is pulled, I'm sure there are other folks here who also get that.

Your questions are almost, but not quite, identical to a set of questions asked by a noob on one of the many other fora I write on, hence my comment.

They seemed to me to be as odd then, as yours do now - at least, to me. It's like asking if using a paintbrush causes baldness, or a lisp. Just, well, odd.
 
having recently gone thru a fairly trying time-i lost someone very close to me. Not dead, but just gone. i sought mental health help after a few years of not being able to process it. They were just one of those people you could centre your life around, and be happier for it.
After a few sessions and a few shrinks, i found one i could engage with. After a time, we got to know each other. she asked me what i really enjoy doing, then wrote me a “prescription“ for at least one day a month shooting muzzleloaders.
i didn`t realize how relaxing and therapeutic shooting 20-30 RB in a two or three hour period could be until after i went thru all that . Maybe i knew, but forgot
it wasn`t a real prescription, but she highly recommended it IN WRITING- in her report, to get back to shooting regularly.
initially I thought they would have all my guns removed from my possession, as you hear about so much. I do not see the shrink anymore, but i will appreciate everything she did for me and my mental health for the rest of my life.
 
First, no offense taken or directed at TFoley for confusing me with someone else. Next, I do not have personal concerns about the questions. These are questions I have been asked by others, including by a Range Officer. In working to generate interest in this sport, I would like to have at least a detailed answer to them. One of my plans is to cite this post. I can simply say, "I've asked these questions on a forum of hundreds and ....". One specific variant of a question was whether the smoke was "cancer-causing". At the time my answer was sarcastic to an extent because I said, "I'm sure it is in California", but in hind-sight I lost my rapport with that person over the comment. When asked, "What's in the smoke?" I was readily able to rattle off the primary ingredients of the dry powder. The follow-up questions was, "Can't some of that stuff permanently damage your eyes". I was stumped, I don't know the "real" answer. I also don't know the treatment. Some things you wash out with water and other things are worsened by adding water. These are some of the motivations for my questions.
 
Muzzleloading has been considered for my list of negative health influences. Just the opposite, I figure muzzleloading, and the associated activities certainly has been a major influence on my making it to 70 years old.... and hopefully beyond! The readily available information, and common sense is all that is needed.
 
There is usually some debate at camp between those saying garlic/onion laden post spaghetti dinner gas is worse than black powder smoke smell. Over years , we've found both smells get in your clothes equally , and only can be over come with more camp wood smoke. Once home to the washing machine , another quick trip to the range puts that special aroma back into your favorite shooting clothes. It has to be tried to be appreciated.
 
Whenever I fire guns, including muzzleloaders, I always wear ear protection (plugs and muffs) and eye protection. Not so much in the deer woods as one shot is usually taken.

Same here, I find myself doing more range shooting, well back yard shooting, than I did in younger days. I spent a lot of time of my free time in the woods and if I harvested game, usually one shot. I use ear protection and eye protection. As far as smoke, I would guess that would pertain to the individual. Gunpowder can be attributed to some nasty headaches.
 
Breathing smoke, loud bangs, and thumping my shoulder makes me a mountain man.

I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm 78 and that stuff hasn't killed me yet.

Man-up and enjoy it.

Amen to that! Assuming you're not shooting in a closed room (breathing smoke?, etc), the therapeutic aspect of it far outweighs whatever tiny physical risks may exist. STRESS probably kills far more people than has ever been calculated. Time on the range with my ML rifle is a fantastic therapy for me.
 
Just like any shooting sport, the benefits to your health outweigh the risks IF you are CAREFUL. Wear eyes and ears, follow all firearm safety rules, and the benefits of getting out into the wilderness and hiking are massively beneficial to your health.
 
'Cancer-causing' fumes from the gunsmoke? That's interesting. I've only been asked once if the smoke can do any harm. I responded by saying that it was all entirely natural in content, rather like the smoke from a barbecue is natural. Some of us find both to be equally pleasant. Walking through a field full of cows will likely do you more physical damage - not from the actual cows per se - but from inhaling the gas that comes out from under their tails.

There can be no doubt in anybody's mind that any kind of gallumphing across the landscape, carrying all the doo-dads needed for a hunt, and moving uphill and down dale in order to catch and honourably kill a meal MUST be better for your long-life prospects than getting into the car and buying it from your local Fred Myers or Market of Choice. Exercise is good - crashing out on a settee eating/sucking down a box of lil' Debbies is decidedly not.

However, I realise that not every BP shooter is minded to do the first, although I have evidence that many here in UK do the second - or rather, the British equivalent.

Let's address the physical benefits of muzzleloading - on a range, that is.

Lots of arm stretching and compression from the actions of loading - great for muscle tone. More so with a long rifle than with a carbine, obviously. It has to be said, though, that shooting thirty or more shots in a long rifle on a range day, and the tone you are most likely to detect might be an anguished moan of pain from strain..

Next, the mental exercise of the complex loading procedure, compared with that of the unmentionables, many of which require nothing more strenuous than a gentle trigger squeeze, can only be helpful to maintaining an active and questioning mind, even if the question is 'did I put the powder in first?'

IOW, practicing of the mental agility necessary for insuring that a number of very important actions all happen in the right order, and the concentration and patience needed for it to happen all over again. And again.

In the end, the self-gratification that accrues from getting it ALL right, and in the right order AND hitting what you are aiming at.

Add up the mental and physical benefits of shooting a muzzleloader of any kind, and you can easily see why one medical person recommended it as a curative.

Let's sum it all up, then, making it as simple as possible.

ALL guns go bang to some degree. This is fun. Some make a loud and very sharp bang, like most unmentionables do. However, that nastiness can be mitigated somewhat by the addition to the gun of a device that renders the sharpness of the report less sharp.

The device that can do the same thing with a muzzleloader has yet to be developed. Even if it were to be invented, I dare opine that the likelihood of any rifleman of our ilk adding a foot-long tube to his already five-foot long rifle is slim indeed. Plus, it is definitely NOT HC.

Smaller calibre patch and ball rifles CAN make a sharp crack. but it's not the explosion of the charge that makes it, unlike the 'other' kind of gun - it's the sound of the ball as it busts the sound barrier. It is usually indicative of what we call 'a good load'.

Bigger calibre muzzleloaders tend to be somewhat slower - note I wrote 'tend'. We all know that you CAN make a .58cal ball beat the barrier, but on a range? So bigger calibres tend to go 'Boom'. VERY big calibres, like a Brown Bess or similar might even go 'KA-boom'.

However - we are on a range, and we are required by range regulations to wear some kind of hearing protection, even if, like me, it's only window dressing. A long career in uniformed noise generation has ensured that I need not necessarily waste too much money on hearing protection. You only need to protect something you HAVE, not something you HAD.

What else?

Eye protection? Seems sensible to me, I do. Most people should, I reckon, and I base that opinion on having the experience of tweezing bits of a musket cap out of the eyelid of a fellow shooter who scorned the use of a pair of safety glasses. Half an inch lower and he would have had to change over his shooting style to that of a left-hander.

Lastly, recoil. I'm not sure why this has been a made a point of contention, since the way we feel recoil is personal and mostly indescribable. Do I feel it? Yes, of course I do - recoil is a fact of physics. How MUCH do I feel? Is it different to an unmentionable? Well, the answer is yes, and for the reasons already mentioned here by other posters. A charitable person might describe me as being well-built, in the manner of a Peterbilt truck, so it stands to reason that I'm not going to be laid on my butt shooting most guns that you can put to your shoulder. Somebody built like Stan Laurel, on the other hand, might well be more moved by the experience, particularly shooting off a bench, as many folks do.

As the shooter progresses from smaller to larger calibre, and accommodates/acclimatizes their body to shooting, so their tolerance to shooting increasingly heavy-recoiling guns will inure them to the effects of doing so. To show how some people respond to shooting a well-known hard kicker, and with apologies to the management - this is a little movie of a the son of a friend of mine shooting a 500gr bullet over a compressed load of 68gr of 2Fg in one of my rifles - this is his VERY first shot, EVER, with a real firearm - you can see just how upset HE was -



Apologies for long resplone. I'm sure that Zonie will either pull it, or not.
 
I am not medical expert but I will weigh in
As for hearing issues, there are several factors that cause the issues.
One is simply the decibels and the other is the frequency that you are exposed.
The decibels could be the same as a modern firearm but the frequency is definitely not.
When shooting my modern firearms I regularly pull the trigger 100 or more times within an hour
When shooting my black powder, it is only 10 to 24 unless I am really going at it and then a few more
So, yes, I would believe that shooting a modern firearm is going to cause more damage just because of the amount of noise when at the range
hunting the noise would be same one shot, one kill
Regardless, wearing hearing protection is simple protection and a must when at the range

Smoke is smoke, breathing anything foreign could cause damage, whether it is cigarette smoke, black powder smoke or "smokeless" powder smoke.
Yes, there is smoke from modern firearms, just not as visible but I am sure it contains many things that should not be inhaled regularly in large quantities.
Remember that the act of sending a projectile down range requires the transformation of a solid to gas

Eye protection is a must when shooting anything if you value your eyesight.
Yes, I would say that there are more particles in the air when firing black powder firearms, soot, cap or flint fragments etc. that are not present with modern firearms.

Newton's Third Law states that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
This is recoil. The amout of felt recoil depends on many things.
The weight of the projectile is a major contributor. Think .22 caliber rifle vs 12 gauge
With that in mind, a .75 caliber bess should have more recoil than a .32 caliber squirrel rifle.
The other factor though is that weight of the firearm helps to resist and or absorb the recoil
I think of my son's modern .50 cal and that it does not have much recoil as it weighs in at about 20 pounds and is not shot offhand.
When shooting firearms, there is little to no risk of internal damage to the shooter from recoil or muzzle blast
Now muzzle blast is another issue for those around you, but when shooting anywhere, there should not be anyone in front of the muzzle and therefore no one exposed to any muzzle blast.
Modern firearms often have muzzle brakes etc that do direct muzzle blasts to the sides.
I think of the first time my son shot that unmentionable and blast to the sides was considerable and it caused all the dust in the ceiling of the shelter to dislodge. Glad we had our eye protection on

AS for the range officer questioning this. If they have concerns, then they should not be a range officer as their repeated exposure to modern firearm shooting does in fact according to the State of California expose them to numerous chemicals found to cause cancer. At least according to all the postings that seem to be on gun listings these days. They should not have taken offense to the comment as it is reported to be very real. Not a concern for me, but I do not shoot for 8 hours per day, multiple days per week.
Always wash your hands after shooting and after cleaning your firearms.
I do not worry about lead from handling the round balls, but I also don't shoot ones that have corroded.
If they have gotten old and corroded, I melt them down and cast new ones.
Never worried about exposure to lead when I was a kid. I remember in the 1960's sitting in the basement over my father's 1940's lead pot, with fumes coming off the old lead, casting lead soldiers.
Today, I do most of my casting outdoors.

Have a good day, get out and make some smoke.
I too find shooting my muzzle loaders very therapeutic as I take my time loading and shooting. I helps me to slow down and enjoy.

Woody
 
You completely missed about the only real health risk to someone shooting a muzzleloader, and that is exposure to heavy metals, lead specifically. Casting balls poses some risk of burns, and possibly exposes you to lead oxide. Loading a muzzleloader, you handle lead, however, that is not any more dangerous than handling cartridge ammo.

Lead is not some magic element. It doesn't get absorbed through your skin, or any other nonsense people push. Every test I've seen has shown inhaling lead dust is the most dangerous, lead oxides specifically. Lead itself is an inert metal, like gold, and can't be absorbed by the body in a normal manner. You can eat lead shot and not be effected at all. Lead dust on the other hand is small enough to be absorbed in the lungs. Lead oxide is dust that is specifically dangerous. One huge source of lead dust in modern cartridges is the primer. One primer is nothing, but shoot hundreds, and you now have quite the pile of lead dust. I do not know of percussion caps contain lead sulfate or not.

The precautions are simple, and the risks are low. When handling lead balls, bullets, shot, etc. Don't eat until you washed your hands. Just wash your hands regardless. You will notice with shot specifically your fingers will be dark colored. This is mostly graphite, used to keep the lead from oxidizing. Modern ammo still uses lead, so the precautions should be no different.

There is no risk in the smoke, other than it being wood smoke. Lead does not vaporize when shooting.

When casting balls, bullets, or shot, use gloves, and ideally cast outside. While lead does not give off much vapor, the hotter it gets, the more vapor it gives off. It is best to simply cast in a manner that it doesn't matter what it gives off, it blows away from you. Be aware of what you are putting into the pot. moisture and molten metal do not mix.''

Beyond the health risks, the biggest dangers for muzzleloaders is muzzle control. You have to work around the muzzle, that is the nature of the beast. I'm not a big safety snob. I see no problem with someone blowing down the barrel after a shot. The biggest risk I see is when you pour in powder. It is possible to have a flash up. It won't kill you, but if your face is in front of the muzzle, it could blind you. I can't imagine it does any favors for your fingers either. When I load, I make real sure my face is clear when pouring powder. I've taking thousands of shots, and not a single flash up, but it can happen.

Speaking of which, there is a danger when working with powder. Your shooting bench essentially becomes a reloading bench. Now the nonsense that blackpowder can be ignited by a static shock, or by impact has been disproven countless times, but it still does not take much of an ember to ignite it. Blackpowder is also not an explosive, yet it possesses plenty of power to harm. I've ignited an entire pound of powder. It makes quite the smoke show. It won't kill you, but if it was right by your face, it could blind you, and it could burn you bad.

The way to prevent this is to never leave your powder uncapped, and never in a place a spark can get to it. If you have a horn, it is protected at your side, and with a cap, is safe. Do not leave a can of powder open right next to you as you shoot. I either use a horn, or keep my can in an ammo can, and flip the lid between shots. The best case scenario is to have two separate benches, one for loading, and one for shooting (or shoot offhand). This is rarely possible at a public range.
 
Breathing smoke, loud bangs, and thumping my shoulder makes me a mountain man.

I wouldn't have it any other way. I'm 78 and that stuff hasn't killed me yet.

Man-up and enjoy it.
Couldn’t have said it any better.
 
The only downside to BP shooting ( and i mean real BP) is the sulfur odor permeates your skin and clothes. Think H2S. Some folks elude the smell for hours after to dismay of wife, kiddies and those behind them in grocery line. This is the only benefit to social distancing I can see. Others claim breathing BP smoke make them flatulent and somewhat offensive (if not dangerous) around the campfire.
 
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