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badgustav

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I'm still terribly new to all this, so forgive my ignorance, but two weeks ago I picked up the 1777 Pattern French Musket from MVTC and figured I'd tell others of the experience and my initial impressions of the gun.

Being in Mass and restricted by the idiocy of our gun laws, I arranged to visit Pete and Wendy in NH. This also allowed me to see the gun first and decide what I thought. As they mention on their site, they have no storefront, but they are very friendly folks and welcomed my lady and I into their home. Found the place with little trouble assuming you are used to directions like “turn off the paved road.”

Pete and I talked for a good long time about guns, about what I intended to use mine for, and about the pieces he had. I was very impressed with his knowledge as well as his patience when I had questions. I’m no old hat at this, but Pete has this down pat. He showed me a variety of period pieces, showed me some of their new ones, pointed out where they’d improved things, etc. It never felt like a sales pitch, it honestly seemed like he was letting his guns sell themselves. Instead he was one interested firearm fan talking to another. My lady ended up entertaining his daughter for the whole time, though the tyke is so cute she didn’t mind in the least, a feat for her. I decided I would pick up the 1777 as it fit for the Continental persona I’m working up and it is such a beautiful piece of French engineering.

The gun itself seems, to my limited experience, well made. Heavy, yes, though some of that lies with the weight of Teak, the wood the stock is made from. As has been mentioned elsewhere there is excess in wood though not as much as I had expected and none around the lock. The fittings and the lock sit flush with the stock in almost every spot. The color of the stock is a little off and if people have addressed this before I’d love thoughts on it. I’ll be stripping the gun soon and taking down a little extra wood, I’d love to change the color at that time. Of course, it’s teak, so that could be tough.

Action is a little stiff, though I suspect that will ease with time and use, a little, but it is not problematic at all. If my lady can operate it without difficulty, that’s a good sign. I haven’t yet had a chance to take it out and fire, though I mostly bought it for demonstrations and reenactment so it won’t do a lot of live firing. I will put a few balls through it in the least once I have the opportunity. Once that happens I’ll post my thoughts here. The metal work is impressive. I’m no gunsmith, but I am a blacksmith, and I’ve seen the degrees of work to come out of India. This is certainly among the best. Clean work throughout. The ramrod is a little loose, but that’s nothing new in my experience, and it doesn’t slide free when inverted. The bayonet (included) is of the locking style and decent, though I’ll do a little dressing of it once my forge is back up.

As I’m not the expert that so many here are, I can’t give a much better review of the musket, for which I apologize, but as far as customer service I really liked dealing with MVTC. I will say that it is FAR better to call than e-mail them as they seem to be slow in that regard, but Pete and Wendy both seem genuinely concerned in keeping their customers happy. I have little doubt that they’ll work to address any problems I encounter.
 
Hey thanks for the experience with the 1777- can you posibly provide some pics of this piece, especially the lock-to-wood fit that you spoke of?

Thanks,
Jim Chochole
 
I'll see what i can do. Don't have a camera myself, aside for the crappy one on the phone, but I can try and borrow my lady's.
 
I would like to see some pictures of your new musket also. It sounds like you are pleased.
 
The Indian import guns seem to have been built to a better standard of late. Previously there has been some trouble with poor construction, especially with the breech plugs. Have not heard of any serious problems recently though. My only thought about any Continental soldier using a M.1777 is that it was the latest arm issued to French regiments and have never seen an original that could be traced to Continental use. The M.1763 & M.1766 made up the bulk of French shipments to North America though older models back to the M.1728 have been found. A bit nitpicky, I admit, but you may get some comments about it at re-enactments...some folks like to point out such things.
 
I will post some close pics of my 1756 Long Land bess from MVTco if you guys wanna see her! I am super happy witth this gun!

Respectfully,

Wes
 
Yes, please post some photos of your MVT 1756 Brown Bess!

I think that the importers of the Indian arms would be wise to bring in a M1763 Charleville. The only other option is the Pedersoli, which is expensive and doesn't look right in my opinion. I am not a reenactor, but I would think the reenacting community would welcome a good-looking, affordable M1763 Charleville musket.
 
Is there anybody making a 1754 French Charleville out there? I have a Japanese 1763 Charlie and love it. It goes off everytime I pull the trigger. Real dependable. The only prob is the stock is to straight for my build. My wife bought it for me for Christmas many years ago. I got one of the early ones before the tooling started going south.
Don
 
lennowenoxie said:
Is there anybody making a 1754 French Charleville out there? I have a Japanese 1763 Charlie and love it. It goes off everytime I pull the trigger. Real dependable. The only prob is the stock is to straight for my build. My wife bought it for me for Christmas many years ago. I got one of the early ones before the tooling started going south.
Don
A couple of my friends had serial #'s 6 and 7. I could never shoot them either, their stocks are WAYYYY too straight for me, and I can soot a pretty straight stock! Never the less those early guns were spectacular guns. Ten steps above these current imports in quality.

I remember some guys that used to shoot in the Fall F&I war shoot at Ft. De Chartres were tough to beat when they were shooting those early import Charlevilles. :thumbsup:
 
I have thought about re-stocking it in Am. Black walnut with a longer pull and deeper drop but never have gotten a "round tuit". Kind of an American re-stock French musket idea. May yet get it done one of these days. Yeah, mine shoots great with a .678 ball and pillowticking with 90 grs. of 2ff Goex.
Don
 
Wes is correct here in that unless one is doing regular French infantry sent over in 1780 under Rochambeau, the Model 1777 would be incorrect for someone doing American Revolutionary War reenacting.There is evidence,however, from parts found at various American sites as early as Valley Forge{1777-1778} that Model 1774's were among the arms shipped from France during the Revolution. "Battle Weapons of the American Revolution" by George C. Neuman PP.92-97 @96.The 1770-1776 muskets were redesigned to replace the Model 1763-66 muskets and were superseded in turn by the Model 1777.
Please see this forum,SMOOTHBORES,P.2, "Bess or French" for my post dated 10/25/05,No.183974 on the subject of French muskets.
Tom Patton
 
lennowenoxie said:
I have a Japanese 1763 Charlie and love it. It goes off everytime I pull the trigger. Real dependable. The only prob is the stock is to straight for my build.
I had the same issue Don. I love my Navy Arms 1763...it's been a great shooter since I got it as a kit way back in the late 70's. Very dependable, goes off everytime, essentially self-knapping, flints last a long time, patterns shot and groups ball well, even got me a turkey with it....BUT....
that straight stock is a killer/bruiser! I am much happier now shooting my MVTC Fowler. I still keep the Charleville around, but the MVTC fowler is just as reliable, and doesn't hurt me! That radical stock drop it has lets me keep my head upright and the butt placed on my shoulder right below the collarbone....MELLOW!!!
Jack
 
Sorry I've been slow on this, but life's been a little hectic as of late. I'm actually taking her down home with me over the holidays to fire off some lead. I'll try and get some picks at the same time.

For those of you more in the know, as you state the 77 is too late for American Continental, but what differs from the 74? My suspicion is that a little work on my part can dress this up to look the part while still being far cheaper than other options I've seen.
 
From another board...

"One other option you might want to try is backdating! That's what I did. My
friend John Rice is a superb Gunsmith. We took a Dixi Gun Works 1777
Charleville and "backdated" it to the French 1754 model! It is modeled after
one on display at Ft. Ticonderoga. I believe he has made o few like this and
can "backdate" to the 1754 and the 1724 models. He has pictures if you like.
The only difference in mine from the one on display is the barrel length on
mine is 2 (or 4, I forget) inches shorter than it should be. John can be
reached at:

John Rice
Otter Creek Rifle Works
RD2 Box 4310
Monkton, VT 05443

Ph.# 802-453-2784 Give him a call."
 
Sorry for the delay on the Pictures, my camera is ker-put. Here is a link to some pics though:
[url] http://americandaughtersofliberty.com/Itinerant_Tinker.html[/url]

Hope it works and you like 'em!

Respectfully,

Wes
 
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