I am new to throwing shot from a muzzle loader. So I naturally leaned on the Skychief load. It seems to work okay and I hunted it last spring. Yesterday I decided to play around more with all the cards and wads I have. In the end the tightest and best load I came up with was really quite simple. 80 grns 3F under a thin card, then 1.5 ozs of #6 shot followed by another thin card on top. At 25 yards I would have sworn I had a full choke and not an open cylinder. I shot (6) rounds with this load and each of them really peppered my turkey target. Not one of them would have taken a step after the trigger pull. I'm impressed with my results and am looking forward to next spring. I will say the 1.5 ozs of shot lets you know when you pull the trigger. It's a cheek slapper and that always makes me smile. Just thought I would share my results. I love tinkering.