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leam

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Just in time for me to have to figure out how to shoot one! I've done cap locks in years gone by.

No pics, sorry. She needs some TLC; real sights, a non-rubber butt plate, and some other odds and ends. However, we'll see how she shoots in a few days.

Assuming I can figure out how to make her shoot. :)
 
What kinda of rifle is it leam?
I'm at a similar spot, was at a pawn shop last week and saw a Navy arms 1803 Harpers Ferry(1977) behind the counter, ask them what they wanted for it and was told 120.00 otd. Um...ok :grin:

It needs a rear sight and a good cleaning ..plus i have to source some 3f..and even 4f blackpowder if i can. Closest place i can find is 2 hours away. Don't want to use the 3f substitute stuff.
Need more flints (only have one) and then i need a rb mold. Did find a t\c flintlock pick\toolset at a local gunshop, i guess i have to internet order the other stuff. Give me a month or two and maybe i can get it all together.

Look forward to hearing of your first shots. J.
 
Egads... a rubber butt pad??????

Welcome to a day which will be a pivotal point in your life. Remember, we're here for you.

PS: :photoSmile:
 
Likely either a Lyman Deerstalker, or one of the Investarms Cabelas models with rubber buttpad. Fine Shooters, especially once you get past folks ribbing you about the buttpad.

I considered replacing the rubber buttpad on mine, but it makes the stock a little too short.
 
Did you buy the lefty deerstalker off TOW that was for sale recently? The one with the messed up recoil pad?
 
It is a brand new Traditions Deerhunter in .50 cal. Of the many things I want to change on it the first is the lack of use. That requires I figure out how to place the flint and make it go "boom".

There are lots of other things I want to change as well. Yet I know my own fallacy; get stuff for projects, let stuff sit for months/years, get frustrated with self for not doing projects. So I'm holding off on everything until I shoot her some, and then choose one thing to change at a time.
 
leam said:
It is a brand new Traditions Deerhunter in .50 cal. Of the many things I want to change on it the first is the lack of use. That requires I figure out how to place the flint and make it go "boom".

There are lots of other things I want to change as well. Yet I know my own fallacy; get stuff for projects, let stuff sit for months/years, get frustrated with self for not doing projects. So I'm holding off on everything until I shoot her some, and then choose one thing to change at a time.

Measure the width of the frizzen, then, at half cock, measure from forward edge of the cock screw to the frizzen. This will give you rough measuremants for finding the right flint size. Subtract about 1/8" on the length to leave room for wrap.

If your lock is similar to my Lyman/Investarms lock, the Track of the Wolf #ENG6 Tom Fuller English flint will fit nicely - it's 3/4" wide X 7/8" long.

Bevel up or down? Try both. You want the flint to initially strike more than 1/2 way up on the frizzen. Try both ways and use what you prefer, My Lymans like bevel down to hit higher on the frizzen, while a new Officer's Fusil works best with bevel up.

Wrap? Tests indicate lead and leather work equally well, but you'll hear a lot of speculation mixed with BS about lead. Use whatever you have. I use lead from a lead ball pounded REALLY Thin, and have never had any problems securing it or wrecking my dainty locks.

Prime with the same 3F black powder you use for your main charge. About 3 Gr. is fine - too much can delay ignition. I do have a little Ampco brass springloaded pan primer that hangs around my neck. It works great, although the downside is that it only works with 4F, and it doesn't hold much. When empty, I simply prime with 3F and nobody can tell the difference in ignition.

Don't let that little short barrel fool you. Once you find the powder charge it likes, you'll be able to bust water-filled beer cans at 100 yards.

Read your manual to discover the ball diameter they recommend, although .490 -.495" is pretty standard, with a .015-.018" thick patch. 50 gr. 3F BP is a great place to start, then go up and down in 5 gr. increments to find your most accurate charge.

An adjustable brass powder measure comes in handy to work up loads; you can make a fixed volume measure later.

Don't worry about changing it around too much, since it's not an authentic representation of any historical pattern (most commercial rifles aren't, none of mine are, and most folks watching you in awe at the range won't know the difference).

Once you've gotten it broken in (at least 100 rounds) and accuracy settles in, you'll come to agree that it's the most fun you can have with your pants on.

Also *** before you load it or clean it, or use the rod *** Be sure the rod tip is cross-pinned to the rod. Glue or threaded wood to metal doesn't count. You can pin it yourself using a small diameter drill bit and a tight fitting nail. Drill it, tap in the nail/pin, then file it flush. That way you won't have to end the day early at the range to come home and ask on-line about how to remove the tip when it came off in the bore. Don't clean with a bronze brush - others will tell you why and how to remove it when it comes apart and gets stuck in the bore...

Before shooting, clean out the barrel - a couple of patches with carburetor cleaner will get out the manufacturer's packing grease, then a light application of Barricade will protect it without leaving a greasy surface.
 
Well, a few notes. I have some flints since I went shopping before knowing what I was doing. Using the TC flints and a bit of leather in the package I've make her spark. That is a good thing!

It looks like 3/4" from front screw to frizzen, and a 2/3" wide frizzen.

Another question. I squared the flint off to the frizzen, should it be leaving a ding in the metal? I'll put in an image soon as I figure out how again. :(
 
The flint is scraping tiny pieces of very hot steel from the face of the frizzen. That should leave scrape marks along the face. Dings are an indication that the flint is directly striking the frizzen. What I have done is to take a small strip of leather thong that is the length of the width of the face of the frizzen. At the back of the jaw lay the thong under the flint to raise the back of the flint to provide more of a smooth strike on the frizzen. It seems to work better with the bevel up.
 
AZbpBurner's advice is spot on, IMHO. Don't worry too much about 4F powder - I believe it's an 'old wive's tale' that this stuff is any faster than the 3F you're using for the main charge. Also, don't pour from the horn right into the barrel: use a measure for both safety and accuracy. As regards buying a mold, you may want to put a few hundred shot through the rifle and let everything settle in, then see what diameter ball it likes.

To this end, you may want to consider getting a copy of Dutch Schoultz' work. Here's a link:
http://www.blackpowderrifleaccuracy.com/

this method will make your groups shrink. guaranteed.

make good smoke!
 
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I don't think there is much doubt that 4F powder fires the gun faster than 3Fg powder.
Pletches testing has proven that to be true.

How much faster? A few thousandths of a second.

Now, if you are racing a top fuel dragster that equates to a few feet at 300+ mph.

Shooting a flintlock? It can't be noticed by a person. It's too small.

For this reason, plus the fact that 4F powder isn't much good for anything except priming a flintlock pan, makes me say, just forget about the 4F powder. Buy 3Fg which lights almost as fast and can be used as a main powder charge too. :)
 
That's great advice! I started out over complicating things by having several types of powders, then realized 3f does great on just about every rifle I own.
 
stuartg said:
That's great advice! I started out over complicating things by having several types of powders, then realized 3f does great on just about every rifle I own.
As you get more rings around your trunk, you'll find ways to simplify your kit...schlepping unnecessary gear around gets to be an extra burden and you'll find ways to double up with gear and loading utensils! :thumbsup: Old fart's rule #2! :rotf:
 
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Hopefully these images work... The box needs to be rotated 90 degrees clockwise. Shots were fairly level but spaced a few inches apart. Those are .50 caliber holes at 25 yards standing off-hand.
 
A few more range notes for the day. Talked to a couple Glock shooters who were impressed with the flinter. The day was calm so the smoke took a few seconds to clear.

Given the advice here and some on the phone from NMLRA members, I started with the flint bevel down. It work great once, and the second shot didn't go even after a couple tries. Flipped the flint and retightened the screw and the rest of the shots went great. I used 50 grains of 3F for all shots; my goal was to get lead down range. Hitting anything I was aiming at was a bonus! Dribbled a little 3F for the priming pan as well.

Last night I cleaned the bore for the first time. It had never been shot so I sprayed up some carb cleaner and kept getting a brownish tint on the rags. Several rags. Oddly, I hot-soapy'd the barrel after shooting and the rags were clean until I put some alcohol on one and went back and forth. Not sure I understand that.

I hadn't cleaned as well as I should have between shots two and three, and the ball was tight. Fortunately I had one of those big brass rods as well, and down the tube it went. After that I cleaned a bit more too.

Gave myself a learning tip. Since I'm using one of those adjustable measures with the rotating funnel shaped lid, I kept the small powder container on the bench away from the shooting. When I loaded the measuring thingy I moved the lid over the powder to keep it from spilling. Once I poured the powder I opened the lid and checked to make sure the powder was all gone. I left the lid open as as easy reminder; "yes, you put powder down the spout".

Forgot to mention my starter rods. I didn't what to pay good money for plastic ball starters so I just got some half inch oak dowel rod and sanded down one end on a short and long one. Still need to trim them some more, and also work on a long one.
 
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