My first flintlock - Kibler WoodsRunner kit

[wiscoaster]

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The difference between a man and a boy is the price of the toy!

Mmmmmm .... dunno if that's true anymore. You should see all the new full-size pickups around here being driven by young kids. Those youngsters must be making way too much money for their ages. Or maybe it's the old man's money that bought the truck. Either way .....

 

[Commodore Swab]

Looking to buy
Ultimate Spring Vise

Out of curiosity I've had and have a number of these, what is the "ultimate"?

 

[Dangus]

Wow. Lots of dough spent on new tools & materials if all done at once. Now you're going to have to plan to use all that up by building many more rifles!!

Yeah, I tend to go full steam when I latch on to something. Let’s not discuss my recent foray into retro ARs.

 

[wiscoaster]

....Let’s not discuss my recent foray into retro ARs.

No, not here. We'd get out posts deleted.

 

[Appowner]

Mmmmmm .... dunno if that's true anymore. You should see all the new full-size pickups around here being driven by young kids. Those youngsters must be making way too much money for their ages. Or maybe it's the old man's money that bought the truck. Either way .....

The Pick Up has long ceased being a work vehicle and is now a status vehicle. Why is anyone's guess. My BIL recently dropped 80k on a new P/U. He wanted something he could transport his wife's Kayak in. Last P/U my family ever bought went for 3500 new and we worked it like a dog for almost 400,000 miles.

A lot of people want and can afford the best for their kids.
For some it keeps the kids out of their hair. Not a good thing.
For others it a direction the kids could go for their future, like owning and competing with a dog or horse and being responsible.
Still others the kids are simply spoiled brats. Where that line is crossed is anyone's guess.

Fact is we have a lot more disposable money than say 50 years ago. For those who think not, the first thing I'd ask is for you to list everything you spend money on on a regular basis. Then take a look at that list and identify those things really needed to live.

 

[Marplot]

Out of curiosity I've had and have a number of these, what is the "ultimate"?

When ordering my Woodsrunner from Bree at Kibler said I should get one. Her descrption.

 

[wiscoaster]

When ordering my Woodsrunner from Bree at Kibler said I should get one. Her descrption.

Actually, it's not just a description, it's an actual brand; from here:
http://redaviscompany.com/0320.htmlI have the "English" vise, and it works great; from here:
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/115/1/TOOL-VISE-DX

 

[Dangus]

Actually, it's not just a description, it's an actual brand; from here:
http://redaviscompany.com/0320.htmlI have the "English" vise, and it works great; from here:
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/115/1/TOOL-VISE-DX

Actually, it's not just a description, it's an actual brand; from here:
http://redaviscompany.com/0320.htmlI have the "English" vise, and it works great; from here:
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/115/1/TOOL-VISE-DX

That Deee-Lux English style is what I picked up. Works great.

 

[Commodore Swab]

Actually, it's not just a description, it's an actual brand; from here:
http://redaviscompany.com/0320.htmlI have the "English" vise, and it works great; from here:
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/115/1/TOOL-VISE-DX

I've gone thru a number of English vise's, Callahan, and a number of others. I'm always on the lookout for something that might work better as well as on other styles of locks.

 

[Dangus]

Some inspiration. First shot out of my Woodsrunner today.

 

[longcruise]

I use vice grips with leather padded jaws. I might crack and get the real McCoy if it were a kibler lock on the bench!

 

[wiscoaster]

Some inspiration. First shot out of my Woodsrunner today.

Nice pic!!

 

[James Kibler]

I needed a drill to enlarge the barrel pin holes on mine. The holes in the stock were pilot holes.

I didn’t need a chisel nor blade of any sort at all to assemble my Woodsrunner. I did do a bit of amateur carving which did involve chisels etc.

Filing took more time than any other part of the assembly.

Enjoy!

We drill all holes to the same size as the pins (.0625”). They are a snug fit. Rather than doing any drilling, I would suggest just waxing your pins if you find the tighter than you prefer. You can also spin a pin in a hand drill and polish with something like 320 or 400 grit paper.

The problem with running a 1/16” bit through the existing stock holes is that they will typically end up too big with loose fitting pins

 

[Bnewberry]

We drill all holes to the same size as the pins (.0625”). They are a snug fit. Rather than doing any drilling, I would suggest just waxing your pins if you find the tighter than you prefer. You can also spin a pin in a hand drill and polish with something like 320 or 400 grit paper.

The problem with running a 1/16” bit through the existing stock holes is that they will typically end up too big with loose fitting pins

Good to know!

 

[wiscoaster]

We drill all holes to the same size as the pins (.0625”). ....,

Actually, no, sorry, not all of "us". I redrilled my pin holes per this post here:
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/smr.168719/#post-2423238Worked out just fine for me. And I've also subsequently had the barrel disassembled from the stock at least once with no adverse effects.
The seventh pic down here:
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/threads/sm-smr-built-shot.167722/is of one of those "enlarged" pins made from the Ace Hardware piano wire. To be brutally honest, I found the piano wire easier to work with than the Kibler stock pin wire. Easier to cut and much easier to round, in particular, and it blued well. Maybe it's a softer metal; I don't know. Perhaps Mr. Kibler could address that. I can't speak to the long-term consequences, if any; again perhaps he could speak to that, if there are any. But as regards assembly and immediate use, I'll go for the piano wire any day.

 

[James Kibler]

We use piano wire. Decent side cutters work fine to cut. Alternatively, score with a file and bend. You can also use a cut-off wheel. After this use files or perhaps a grinder / belt sander.

It’s really no problem to work with. Again, reference my videos to see.

 

[Marplot]

I built an unmentionable (AR-10) a couple of years ago. Spent some 1800 on parts for the build and another 600 or so on special tools followed by another 800 for the scope. But it I've rung steel with it at 1400 yards.

The difference between a man and a boy is the price of the toy!

Stoner? Creedmore? Cool gun. But Shhhh!

 

[longhunter 1776]

got plenty of long rifles,,sell me that coat!! she is on

 

[Marplot]

BTW I finished my first Woods Runner. Extra Fancy. Came out well, I think. Kibler does some nice wood and the CNC Carving really pops. I was scared to death I would screw it up! Just follow Jim Kibler's videos and trust him.

Got so courageous that I just bought a SMR kit .45 cal and select maple. Hasn't gotten it yet, but nervous all over again. Jim found a special log and says that it is a grade beyond Extra Fancy. He only got a few blanks from it. One is mine!

 

[wiscoaster]

Very nice job.