Myth busters

[bob1961]

i must have one of those good 1/48" barrels on my T/C hawken.....it has .006 deep rifling not much i'll admit that....but i get 2" groups at 50 yds with it and 3" at 100yds with 70 grs bp .015 patches and hornadys .490 ball.....and 1.5" @ 50 yds with T/C's 240 gr mag sabots and 2.5" @ 100 yds with 80 grs of powder.....i'm not saying you guys are wrong but thats my info on that twist in my gun....next i'm going to try to use hornadys great plains bullets soon in 385 gr or 410 gr.....will post as soon as can get to the range.........................bob

 

[roundball]

That's sure one heck of a run of bad luck for none of your TC barrels to be accurate... :shocking: ::

 

That's sure one heck of a run of bad luck for none of your TC barrels to be accurate... :shocking: ::

Well, once again, what is accurate. This is very subjective unless we agree on some guidelines. Is 2" groups with .50 p.r.b. good accuracy with open sights? I'd say it was, but what if the accuracy is with 40 grains of powder. Hardly a .50 hunting load.
Now if my T/C original barrels would shoot 2" groups at 50 yards with 80 or 90 grains of gee-whiz, then I'd call it accurate AND usefull.
My Lyman Deerstalker will shoot p/r/b into one ragged hole for 5 shots at 25 yards with 50 grains of powder from it's 1:48" twist, but I don't consider that a useful whitetail load.
It will also group under 3" at 100 yards with about any saboted bullet or conical and 100 grains of gee-whiz. Both accurate and powerful enough for larger game.
No T/C 1:48 twist barrel that I have owned in either .50 or .54 would ever do better than 5", often worse, at 100 yards with ANY combination of p/r/b or bullet, WITH HUNTING CHARGES OF POWDER, 80 or more grains of poop!
I saw a fellow with a real purdy T/C Hawken set up with hooded front sight and target rear peeps. He could one hole group the thing at 50 yards all day long with the stock 1:48" twist, BUT with 45 grains of fuel. Anything over that and groups went south in a hurry.
Sure the CAN shoot nice groups, but with what powder charge.
I've seen people claim great accuracy with a variety of weapons if they could hit a pie plate at 50 yards in the local strip pit.
Any of you guys have a tack driving T/C 1:48" twist? Then what are the EXACT loads, at what Distance? and what are the measured REPEATABLE groups?
Debate anyone?

 

[tg]

One factor that may be an issue is the quality/consistancy of the barrels of a given maker, I have heard of good and bad results with many imports of the same twists even of some TC guns use by a group of TC shooters.

 

Lets see
Flintlocks are slow """ depends """

Flintlock will not go off without powder in the pan " extremely wrong"

1/48 is a bad RB twist """ depends"""

The old 30 30 subject. I have rafters full of deer and 3 elk racks to prove it " dead wrong"

Long guns are more accurate then short guns " wrong"

Mountain men always wore leather " real wrong"

Cherokee are peace loving Indians "LMAO I guess that depends on if we like you or not "

 

[Liver eatin’ Johnson]

Cherokee are peace loving Indians "LMAO I guess that depends on if we like you or not "

:haha: :haha:................. :shocking:

 

[Zonie]

" Cherokee are peace loving Indians "LMAO I guess that depends on if we like you or not " "

Now THAT sounds like Indian Humor if I ever heard it.

Reminds me of the following story told to me by a friend of mine who happens to be a Navajo.

After the train stopped at a small rail station up in the 4 corners area 2 business men got off and noticed a Indian sitting on the steps.
One business man says to his friend,"Indians never forget! Watch this." "Hay Chief, what did you have for breakfast Friday before last Friday?"
The Indian glanced up and said "eggs". The business man then says "how were they cooked?"
Before the indian could respond, the train whistle blew and the business men were off on their travels again.
A year passed before the business men stopped at the same station.
Spying the same indian sitting on the steps one of them says "I wonder if he still remembers us from last year. Hay Chief, you remember us?"
The indian glances up and says "scrambled". :haha: :haha: :haha: :applause:

 

LMAO :: :: :applause:

 

[Slowpoke]

1-48 twist is a very accurate twist. Cheap rifles barrels are not. I have a Green Mountain 40 cal, 1-48 twist rifle barrel that will shoot just as well as any rifle you own. That included your 270. 243. or whatever. (Hold on to your hat) I have a 25 caliber that has a 1-32 twist that on a calm day will shoot a quarter size group at 50 yards. WHY? I'll tell ya... it has to do with Physics. The larger the project the slow it has to turn to stay on an axis, or not cavitate. That's why if you shoot a 50 cal ball out of a 1-22 barrel you'll be luck to hit the paper. Same thing with a 25 caliber out of a 1-120.... you'll hit the target but you mine as well be shooting a smoothbore. As the pioneers went after larger game, the caliber and powder charge needed to increase. They found out soon that large load and ball out of the same twist as their squirrel riffles really didn't.

S'poke

 

The myth?

"Previous to loading, put a cap on every chamber, and discharge them onto grass to see if it moves, verifying the channels are clear, then snap anoter cap on every chamber to remove possible debris from the first cap, than clean out the nipples with a pick".

1000 BP-caps $40.00; 1000 Large Pistol Primers for .45 ACP $12.50

Looks like everyone that writes about BP shooting just changes the sentences in style from a former one.

NEVER POPPED CAPS, NEVER HAD A PROBLEM