N.Y.S. DEER & SAFTEY REPORT..

[RC]

Here's some quotes from the newspaper concerning, nys hunting '06... deer kill was..189,108-----96,569 were bucks (8% over '05)...muzzleloaders set a record take with 15,746... 67% antlerless...archers did 29,454.. 65% bucks.. the state issued 56,811 bow stamps and 65,437 muzzleloader stamps (says interest in black powder has obviously risen!)....................as fer saftey..aw gees, total hunting related injuries 35 (below average of 42.6) 1 fatality.. 13 injuries self inflicted-22 involved 2 people confused: ) deer hunters accounted for 20 incidents spring turkey ..4 (reported) remainder was small game and waterfowl... weapons involed--24 shotguns-9 rifles and 2 muzzleloaders.............a few exerpts from incident reports....(are ya ready?) victim shot at rabbit,,,got two pellets in each leg...his!-------a hunter shot at a movement in the brush put 14 pellets in grandsons head and shoulders-----a hunter shot at a turkey gave his 16 year old nephew multiple pellets in chest----one hunter rested his shotgun on his toe another put his hand over muzzle and used gun as "walking stick" both received injuries!----hunting licenses were down 100,000 between 2003-2006 trapping was up 2000.. fishing went from 1,007,156 in '03 to 978,848 in '06....just info I read....deer kill has me baffled,but what's new..? :shocked2: RC

 

[rabjr]

Is there a lot of banjo players in N.Y?

 

[BRUN]

Hunter shoots at "movement in the brush"? :shocked2: :cursing: Maybe there should be an I.Q. test before people take a hunters safety course :youcrazy:

 

[RC]

swampy sayed "Is there a lot of banjo players in N.Y?""
RC SAYED... yes... but their strings ain't real tight!.........brun sayed "Hunter shoots at "movement in the brush"? Maybe there should be an I.Q. test before people take a hunters safety course """ RC SAY ... nope! they got this plan see... it's orange! :shocked2:

 

[paulvallandigham]

I thinik the horror of shooting his own grandson will either end this guys hunting days, or wake him up. My state requires upland game hunters to wear a blaze orange hat in order to maximize visibility. I lobbied for this requirement for more than 10 years, as a Hunter Safety Instructor, after reviewing hunting accident reports. The second year that regulation was in effect, accidents dropped 1/3 in the state, with far fewer people being shot by members of their own hunting parties. It has not eliminated this particularly outrageous set of events, but it has reduced it.

 

[RC]

part that scares me.. is the wording used ".. 13 injuries self inflicted-22 involved 2 people ""imagine,if'n they weren't self inflicted...they involved two people! i still have my doubts about orange..would cut down on "incidents" but stupidity is hard to overcome... and these are the stories that they're tellin us...the reported ones..can't imagine what else went on!

 

[rabjr]

We've had a pretty good safety record here. But in the last few years we had a couple of fatality's. One, a group of guys decided to poach in camo's...this lead to one getting shot with buckshot in the chest. This was during muzzle loader season and I believe they were on property they were not supposed to be in the first place. What do you do in this case? Drop everything and get help for your friend? No...these idiots first gather the guns and do everything they can to cover up the fact they were hunting with shotguns. Mean while this guy bleeds to death.

A few years ago a man shoots a deer in shotgun season. While tracking it the mans son took off him orange so not spook the deer. :youcrazy: Making his way through some brush...Dad sees moving brush and lets the lead fly. :youcrazy: Dad watches son die from a .12ga slug.

Stupid tragic mistakes.

 

[RC]

it jes boggles my mind! isit really that important to kill something? must be to some the kill is more important than the hunt..very sad!

 

[mudburn]

. . . a hunter shot at a movement in the brush put 14 pellets in grandsons head and shoulders-----a hunter shot at a turkey gave his 16 year old nephew multiple pellets in chest----. . .

Sounds like they were enrolled in the Dick Cheney School of Hunting.

 

[PreglerD]

Don't worry my fellow US-hunters. Here in GE even with one year education in hunting and a very strong hunting test and orange stripes on the hats when hunting we have the same casualities like shots in the brush or shots at neighbours at drive hunts and so on. Perhaps it happens because we are only humans. Don't know. We have some guys who are unable to remind a rule, perhaps it is impossible for them while hunting because of buck feaver.But here after such accidents the person loose his hunting licence and all his firearm permissions and firearms and is not allowed for 10 years minimum to get them back.

 

[armymedic.2]

orange won't solve stupidity, the only way to get rid of it is to teach the youngsters how to hunt, while continuously saying things like, "it is just a squerril, it is just a deer" Obviously giving total respect to the kill when an animal is taken, but miinimize it as a part of the hunt. after a kill i go through all kinds of native rituals of respect, but whenever i teach someone new, "it is just" is always part of the lesson. my dad taught it to me, and that goes thorugh my head every time something happens in the woods. should i shoot this .36 into the top of this tree for the squerril? if the other farm is in that general direction, "it's just a squerril". comes in handy even to long time hunters. also, i care nothing for antlers, except making them into powder measdures, so i tend not to go crazy when i see large antlers-just bones people, big ole does are just as smart :thumbsup: no excuse to not think clearly.

 

[Trapper]

RC you're right. You can't teach people with stupidity. Im a NYS hunter safety instructor and every student in my class is taught to Make sure of positive identification of game animal they are shooting at and what is beyond it!!! Now with this said: They are also taught that the safety is never and I mean never comes off safe until positive identification is observed and there is a clear clean shot to harvest the game cleanly!! Sorry guy this really gets my blood boiling. Now notice the person that inflicted the wounds upon someone else... older hunters that should have known better... that's scarey.

 

[jethro224]

Lotsa, if not mosta, the older hunters never took a hunter safety course. I took it when I was 12 just so I could get my license before I was 16. Now my state makes everyone born after some such date take the course before they get their first license. I think it's a good idea.
Might be a good idea to give a little safety test every few years just to make sure everybody remembers the safety rules. Especially those with violations. Sorta like they do with drivers licenses. :hmm:

 

[paulvallandigham]

All gunshot wound must be reported to the police, and those involved in hunting accidents get reported to the State game department, whatever it is called.

I was hit 3-4 times with birshot that did not penetrate my skin, so I sought no medical attention. I am sure there are dozens of such incidents each year that go unreported for the same reason. However, if someone has to be treated for GSWs, it does get reported.

YOu are correct that you can legislate away stupidity, but by making upland game hunters, who are trying to get game to either run or fly( rabbits, grouse, quail, pheasant, chukkar, woodcock, etc. ) you are not making their hunt harder, or less productive, but you are making it easier for those over eager shooters to know that they are shooting outside their zone of safety, and are shooting at YOU! We Still have shootings reported each year, where the victim is wearing Blaze orange, but the shooter claims he could not see the victim. The yardage can be from 5 to 50 yard, so make your own judgment about how truthful the shooter is being.

 

[paulvallandigham]

Mud: You are not being fair to the Vice President. The VP shot at a low bird as it was passing in his zone of fire. His zone had been extended by agreement because he was on the end of the line of drivers, and no one was supposed to be behind him. Harry violated the rules of the hunt by walking over and not alerting the drive organizer that he was approaching from behind and down in a ravine. Harry just happened to walk up the side of the ravine and " pop up " right in the line of fire. There is no way that Mr. Cheney or any other hunter could be expected to not fire under those circumstances. Harry was where he was not suppose to be. The VP graciously accepted full responsibility for the shooting, but a careful look at the facts shows that in this case, the Victim was the one in the wrong, and in the best possible position to avoid being shot. If he had stayed with his own party, it would not have happened. If he had returned to the cars where the Secret Service Agents were gathered it would not have happened. If he had hollared out to the hostess that he was coming over, it would not have happened, as she would have notified the shooters that someone was coming up on their flanks and to restrict their zone of fire accordingly.

mr. Cheney is a very experienced hunter. I would be proud to hunt with him any time, any place. And I would not worry a minute about my personal safety around the man. For that matter I would like to hunt with Harry Whittington, too. He just made a mistake, and he got hurt for it. I suspect like many of us older hunters, he began cutting corners a long time ago, and nothing bad happened. So he just stopped being alert, or concerned.

 

[armymedic.2]

too true paul. i had an incident last summer while woodchucking with my briother. he rickocheted a .22 bullet across the field that i heard scream past my ear. was it his fault, yes. was it mine too, yes. we have hunted together so long, we got sloppy. i never expected him to shoot my way, and he never expected me to be where i was. that being said we were about 250 yards apart, and neither of us expected the round to act as it did. it did, i got lucky, we got a valuable lesson for free.. it wasn't that we were stupid or careless on purpose, it just happened. if you hunt long enough i think you will see something of that sort. you may have already and just didn't know it. i have had live rounds go past me on live fire ranges, and never even heard them, i only know because they were tracers. it is very possible that one of the loud booms you have heard in the woods came very close to yall and you never even knew it. when it comes to waterfowling and dive hunting, technically i have been shot lots of times. we just call i lead rain, doesn't hurt ya, sometimes you barley know it hit ya, but you hear the other fellows shot raining down all around you. technically been shot? yea sure, ever in any danger with it, not at all. i do believe 300 yards or so is a bit out of the effective range of birdshot :thumbsup:

 

[d.thomson]

When I hear of these incidents It makes my butt pucker , some one shooting his grandson, I dont't know how some one could live with them selves after. Like Army Medic said It's only a deer, or squerrel, rabbit what ever, shooting some one you can never take it back. Hunting or should I say poaching in camo well thats just asking for it :youcrazy: . Sound hunting, heard of it done, dont condone it would never hunt with some one that would do it, It's just not worth it :shake: . We had an incident last hunting seasion where a woman got shot. The story is she was wearing a tan or brown coat and walking 400 yards off the trail, suposidly she didn't even know it was hunting seasion. Persionaly I think the media should inform the public about the upcomeing hunting seasions. It comes down to the old rule BE SHURE OF WHAT YOU ARE SHOOTING AT OR DON'T SHOOT PERIOD.Just my little rant regards Fisher King

 

[Jac Spring]

I started deer hunting late in life around 30 years old. I'd been small game, dove and duck hunting as a kid with my dad but never big game hunting. Anyhoo, I started while living in Easton PA - hunted up in the poconos for a couple of years and got a few deer. One day I was draggin out my buck and a guy comes over and starts talking to me - says he didn't do so good that day "only got a couple of brush shots". Apparently, these are shots into the brush at a noise.... :shocked2:

That was the last time I deer hunted there.

I've never run into that again in Texas or Mississippi where I've done a fair amount of hunting on a friend's farm.

Say what you will about rednecks, they tend to be safe with their guns and hunting. Hell, they even use a spot light when it gets dark :rotf:

 

Any accidents are too many but considering the numbers of people in the woods hunting that ain't too bad. How many auto fatalities were there during the hunting season.

I just got back from a hunt in Texas. My first time there, nice state, pretty country. Tough to have an accident when your in a blind 100-150 yards away from a feeder. :haha: Unless you shoot the guy filling it.

 

[blackpowderscout]

Don't worry in twenty years, Florida will be full and ruined so the retirees will have to start looking somewhere else to change to "the way it was back north".

I'm gonna have to track down some numbers for Florida's hunting injuries/fatalities to compare.

I'm just glad so many of our northern friends like muzzleloaders. Maybe my kids will get to enjoy that at least. Dog hunting's almost done, airboat's are getting hammered.

Sorry for the rant but I just get ticked when some people form parts north get to rambling about rednecks and the way we do things down here...the same way it's been done for generations and yet it's different to them and therefore wrong.

Adam