Well, I got another one with my virginia rifle. I though I might recover the ball for once since it blew out both shoulders and I couldn't find the exit wound. Come to find out it exited sideways after expanding so it was a pretty skinny exit wound, for a .58. She went about 30 yards and piled up after the shot. They have some pretty thick hair up here to survive -45 temps, makes them look alot different than deer else where in the country.