Need a permit to purchase a BP revolver?

[KEDSFAN]

By replacing the cylinder. .36 cal is .38 cal, or near enough. Kirst sells them. I agree that shouldn't be a factor, but it is what it is. They are CYA, not a bad plan in this litigious bottom feeder society.

Have you ever watched Pawn Stars? They don't have an FFL but they can buy any gun prior to a certain date as it is considered an antique.

 

[rescuemike]

How do you readily convert a revolver that is 150 years old to shoot centerfire cartridges?

Replace the cylinder. Stupid, but the law says if the the firearm can be “readily converted”. And that cylinder does it.

 

[rescuemike]

Have you ever watched Pawn Stars? They don't have an FFL but they can buy any gun prior to a certain date as it is considered an antique.

Yes, they do have an FFL.

 

[KEDSFAN]

Yes, they do have an FFL.

Rick has said many times that they don't.

 

[Hawken]

Have you ever watched Pawn Stars? They don't have an FFL but they can buy any gun prior to a certain date as it is considered an antique.

I have. And if Pawn Stars were filmed in Minnesota, instead of Nevada you might have a point.

Even then probably not, because while Rick might buy antique firearms without an FFL, that doesn't mean he wants to sell them that way. At the end of the day I can't force somebody to sell me something on my terms. the sale is on their terms.

 

[Hawken]

I have dealt with the government doing construction projects for over 40 years. When a dispute arises I ask them to show the proof in the contract or the law. If they can show proof they win. When they can't show proof I win.

OK, but this isn't a construction project. You can "win", and ... they still won't sell it to you.

 

[KEDSFAN]

I have. And if Pawn Stars were filmed in Minnesota, instead of Nevada you might have a point.

Even then probably not, because while Rick might buy antique firearms without an FFL, that doesn't mean he wants to sell them that way. At the end of the day I can't force somebody to sell me something on my terms. the sale is on their terms.

The sale needs to follow the law. What if the liquor store owner says he will only sell to you after he checks your driving record for DUI's?

 

[Hawken]

The sale needs to follow the law. What if the liquor store owner says he will only sell to you after he checks your driving record for DUI's?

That might work. Make the fatties step on a scale too before ever selling them Ho-Hos and Ding-Dongs. "Sorry, you weigh too much".

The seller is free to set the terms of the sale as far as I'm concerned. Checks OK, or Checks Not OK, Cash Only, or Cash Not Accepted, Wampum Only, or will take CCI .22 SV Only in Payment.

 

[KEDSFAN]

OK, but this isn't a construction project. You can "win", and ... they still won't sell it to you.

I'd say you haven't dealt with the government much. A lawyer could have some fun with this one.

 

[KEDSFAN]

That might work. Make the fatties step on a scale too before ever selling them Ho-Hos and Ding-Dongs. "Sorry, you weigh too much".

The seller is free to set the terms of the sale as far as I'm concerned. Checks OK, or Checks Not OK, Cash Only, or Cash Not Accepted, Wampum Only, or will take CCI .22 SV Only in Payment.

The seller says he is following state law. Nobody has been able to say what that law is or when it was imlemented. Since I have purchased revolvers before with no paperwork I would like to know when the law changed.

 

[SOLANCO]

In order to buy a pistol in Minnesota you have to fill out a lengthy questionaire and deliver it to the local police chief. They can dig through your life any way they want before giving you a Permit to Purchase a pistol in the state. The permit is only good for a year. I have no plans to do any of that.

Also, the revolver is a Rogers and Spencer made in the 1860's or so. I would have thought it to be considered an antique and not subject to any government intrusion.

Apparently Minnesota has decided to one-up the feds.

 

[SOLANCO]

I don’t like the situation either, but in most states the majority of the population lives in urban areas, so that is where the majority of the votes are. One or two large urban areas covering a few square miles can ruin things for the residents of the remaining 98% of the geographical area of the whole state.

The rest of us in Pennsylvania suffer the voters of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. Adding insult to injury Philadelphia always has some pressing need of state funds.

 

[SOLANCO]

Off subject but the answer is YES

But don't give Trenton any ideas.

 

[kje54]

FWIW, once upon a time, I tried to buy a C&B revolver from Cabela's - and they denied the sale, telling me the same thing.

In my state, muzzleloaders of any description are regulated the same as a pair of sneakers...….

So, about ten minutes after Cabela's cancelled my purchase, I successfully ordered the same gun (priced $10 higher) from Bass Pro.

I felt it was worth the $10 difference to get the gun, and vowed that I would never buy anything from Cabela's again.. ( and, I haven't)

The moral of my story: If you don't like the way someone conducts their business, take your business elsewhere.

Did you know Bass Pro and Cabela's are now one in the same?

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

Ten or 12 years ago, I purchased a cap and ball revolver from a place in New Jersey. They absolutely would not under any circumstances send it anywhere but to a FFL dealer. Said their state law required it. My local dealer didn't charge me anything so no big deal. I did read about a guy that sold a muzzle loader that ws used in a crime and he was sued because the fellow who recieved the gun was barred from having any guns under the law of the state where both the seller and buyer lived. So from then on the seller demanded that all muzzle loaders went through a dealer. His gun, his rules.

It used to be person to person both with yellow cards and verified identification . You filled out a form of register between both parties and that was that. but this was for BP long guns and not pistols. Today this has gone by the wayside also.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

Have you ever watched Pawn Stars? They don't have an FFL but they can buy any gun prior to a certain date as it is considered an antique.

Which cannot readily be converted to modern ammo

 

[KEDSFAN]

Which cannot readily be converted to modern ammo

They bought plenty of antique revolvers.

 

[Hawken]

The seller says he is following state law. Nobody has been able to say what that law is or when it was imlemented. Since I have purchased revolvers before with no paperwork I would like to know when the law changed.

I agree "they need to follow the law", but it's simply a matter of interpretation. They are being more, not less, restrictive. See the difference? You can be "right" and they don't care, they are covering their ass.

They can be "wrong" and they still won't sell it to you. Hire an attorney and take one for the team, I dunno. I wish you luck!

 

[KEDSFAN]

I agree "they need to follow the law", but it's simply a matter of interpretation. They are being more, not less, restrictive. See the difference? You can be "right" and they don't care, they are covering their ass.

They can be "wrong" and they still won't sell it to you. Hire an attorney and take one for the team, I dunno. I wish you luck!

I asked the guy what law he was following. No response.

Some people don't mind government suppression and go along with whatever they are told. Others question it and do something about it. .

 

[B P Arn]

KEDSFAN, why not just order from another company who will sell you the gun?