Need a permit to purchase a BP revolver?

[KEDSFAN]

KEDSFAN, why not just order from another company who will sell you the gun?

I believe you are missing the whole point of the discussion.

I wanted to know if anyone here was aware of a law change that required me to have a Permit to Purchase in order to buy a BP revolver as I have never seen it before. For a long time you needed a Permit to Purchase for a centerfire pistol. When did it change to include BP?

 

[Hawken]

The point is moot, you can't really force them to sell you something, those are the conditions they have placed on the sale. They may be "wrong", they won't answer you or emails, but ..

 

[KEDSFAN]

The point is moot, you can't really force them to sell you something, those are the conditions they have placed on the sale. They may be "wrong", they won't answer you or emails, but ..

I'm not forcing them to do anything. I have no interest in buying the piece.

I was wondering if there is a new state law that requires a background check for a BP revolver Nobody has come up with a specific law yet.

The idea of a discussion board is to ........DISCUSS STUFF.

 

[OldMaineWoodsman]

Not to get you riled up (you should be), but one of the things that this so called "Administration" is trying to do is change the definition or even eliminate the definition of an "antique firearm." As it stands now, any firearm originally manufactured in or before 1898 is classified as an antique. They are well aware that a firearm manufactured in or before 1898 can be sold with no paperwork or background check, and shipped to your door (most States) even though some can fire modern ammunition. This is very bad to them. They talk a lot about "universal background checks" and "on-line gun sales."

I have not heard if they are also targeting flintlock or percussion firearms as part of this definition but I would not be surprised. C&R license holders should be concerned as well.

 

[TFoley]

'sfunny, in a way. Here in UK you can buy an antique firearm, say, and original Remington or Colt, with absolutely zero paperwork, provided you are over 18 y/o.

Can't shoot it though, unless you are a full member of a gun club, and have a Firearms Certificate [FAC] on which that revolver is registered as a Section 1 live-firer.

However, you can't buy a modern REPLICA of that old and antique design unless you have the FAC, giving details that state 'authorised to acquire and possess ONE muzzleloading handgun'. And of course, you have to do the whole gun club member thing.

Looks to me like parts of the US of A are trying to copy the gun laws of a place they fought a long and bloody war to get away from.

 

[KEDSFAN]

'sfunny, in a way. Here in UK you can buy an antique firearm, say, and original Remington or Colt, with absolutely zero paperwork, provided you are over 18 y/o.

Can't shoot it though, unless you are a full member of a gun club, and have a Firearms Certificate [FAC] on which that revolver is registered as a Section 1 live-firer.

However, you can't buy a modern REPLICA of that old and antique design unless you have the FAC, giving details that state 'authorised to acquire and possess ONE muzzleloading handgun'. And of course, you have to do the whole gun club member thing.

Looks to me like parts of the US of A are trying to copy the gun laws of a place they fought a long and bloody war to get away from.

We fought like hell so we wouldn't be like you. And now they are fighting like hell to be just like you.

 

[KEDSFAN]

Not to get you riled up (you should be), but one of the things that this so called "Administration" is trying to do is change the definition or even eliminate the definition of an "antique firearm." As it stands now, any firearm originally manufactured in or before 1898 is classified as an antique. They are well aware that a firearm manufactured in or before 1898 can be sold with no paperwork or background check, and shipped to your door (most States) even though some can fire modern ammunition. This is very bad to them. They talk a lot about "universal background checks" and "on-line gun sales."

I have not heard if they are also targeting flintlock or percussion firearms as part of this definition but I would not be surprised. C&R license holders should be concerned as well. Do a search for H.R. 127. It is currently in the Judiciary Committee. It is real, and it will make your hair fall out. Doubtful it will go far, but who knows with the clowns occupying our government right now.

All those Fudds who voted for Biden thinking he wasn't interested in their sporting guns were fools.

As with everything, they do it using incrementalism. One step at a time until they get them all.

 

[Hawken]

I'm not forcing them to do anything. I have no interest in buying the piece.

Goalposts aren't supposed to move! Waaay back five (5) (yes 5) pages ago, in the very first post you wrote:

I was watching an online auction here in Minnesota recently and there was a .44 BP revolver on it that interested me.

I think we can be forgiven for thinking you wanted that, no?

The idea of a discussion board is to ........DISCUSS STUFF.

I get that, I'm just pointing out that "you" (the Royal you) can't force them to sell it to you outside of their terms and conditions. I know it's BS too, but they have their reasons, or think they do.

 

[JCKelly]

Michigan used to have such screwy laws, treating a replica perc revolver the same as a plastic semi-auto. The 2nd gen Colt Army I bought in April 2000 is registered (in part because that dealer might have been "sensitized" about selling w/o registration)
About a decade later they realized this was, after all, America & revoked this nonsense.

Later as I tried to buy other percussion handguns I realized that some dealers had not gotten up to date.

 

[KEDSFAN]

Goalposts aren't supposed to move! Waaay back five (5) (yes 5) pages ago, in the very first post you wrote:

I was watching an online auction here in Minnesota recently and there was a .44 BP revolver on it that interested me.

I think we can be forgiven for thinking you wanted that, no?



I get that, I'm just pointing out that "you" (the Royal you) can't force them to sell it to you outside of their terms and conditions. I know it's BS too, but they have their reasons, or think they do.

I have no interest in buying the piece for two reasons;
The price was too high
The auction was over.

I don't think you understand the point of this discussion so I will just let it go at that.

 

[Billy Boy]

Up until a recent tragic boating accident I had been collecting arms of various types for fifty years I did a lot of competitive BP shooting in the 70"s. I was watching an online auction here in Minnesota recently and there was a .44 BP revolver on it that interested me. Then I read that it is considered a firearm in Minnesota and I would need a Permit to Purchase in order to get it.

I am well aware of that requirement for centerfire pistols. I admit that is has been a long time since I bought a revolver but when did it become such a hassle to get one?

I recently bought two Hawkens from a FFL dealer on the East coast and they were shipped to me directly with absolutely no government involvement.

The Twin Cities has had 50 years of one party rule, thats how it goes..... There is no state statute requiring a permit to purchase for a black powder revolver. It’s just the socialists in the 7 county metro area, we primitives in the outstate
are not presently so burdened.

 

[KEDSFAN]

The Twin Cities has had 50 years of one party rule, thats how it goes..... There is no state statute requiring a permit to purchase for a black powder revolver. It’s just the socialists in the 7 county metro area, we primitives in the outstate
are not presently so burdened.

That's because you people out in the American part are just considered to be rocks or cows as our Gov-tator says.

 

[Archer 756]

[U]KEDSFAN,[/U] it seems that you DO KNOW how to use the computer just take time and look up THE LAW!

 

[KEDSFAN]

[U]KEDSFAN,[/U] it seems that you DO KNOW how to use the computer just take time and look up THE LAW!

I have done that. I can't find anything that says I need a permit to purchase for a BP revolver.

That is why I asked guys on a BP DISCUSSION BOARD who DISCUSS stuff like this to find out if they had heard of such a thing. Maybe it is a new law that I had not heard of.

Sometimes when there is a discussion thread about something I know nothing about I read it because I learn stuff.
Sometimes when there is a discussion about a topic that I am well informed about I provide a factual response which is helpful to the group.
Weird, right?

 

[Archer 756]

[U]KEDSFAN[/U] if there is a law where does one get the PERMIT here in NY we need to put any cap and ball pistol that one has the equipment to shot on a pistol permit, That is a law that is written in ink. Not every one seems to go by our law they feel that they have the right to own cap and ball, there has been ones that have paid the price for being what the are. Again where does one get the PERMIT Forgot to say that one does not need any permit to buy cap and ball in parts of New York State The seller has the right not to sell to you also I was just at Cabela's in Conn and was able to buy cap and ball with no trouble. AS was stated to me certain states require one to have a permit for ANY Hand GUN. The only problem we have in NY is certain counties, South, have restrictions and New York City

 

[KEDSFAN]

[U]KEDSFAN[/U] if there is a law where does one get the PERMIT here in NY we need to put any cap and ball pistol that one has the equipment to shot on a pistol permit, That is a law that is written in ink. Not every one seems to go by our law they feel that they have the right to own cap and ball, there has been ones that have paid the price for being what the are. Again where does one get the PERMIT

In Minnesota you are required to apply for and receive a Permit to Purchase in order to buy a centerfire pistol. You need to renew it each year. Has that law recently changed to include BP pistols?

I don't know which is why I ask people who might have had some first hand experience with it. That is the purpose of a discussion board.

Otherwise, the heading at the top of the page on this website would say......GO LOOK STUFF UP YOURSELF.

 

[smoothshooter]

I live in the Minneapolis-St Paul metropolitan area, and I purchased 5 Black Powder guns on line or from this forum in 2020. All were shipped directly to my home, no problems encountered, and no questions asked.

If something has changed, it has been very recently, and I have not heard of it.

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If you had bought them in MN it may have been a more complicated situation.

I watch a lot of these auctions and had never seen that message before. I bought two BP rifles from an online auction in Wisconsin a few months ago and went to pick them up without any questions or paperwork. That auction house is connected with a gun dealer that does all the background checks and paperwork. Two more from an East Coast FFL dealer will be here tomorrow, no questions, no paperwork.

As a side note, I was reading the laws for carrying a pistol in Minnesota. You can't carry a BB pistol without a permit. Weird.

We will see more and more retailers take it upon themselves to require out of state sales to be shipped to an FFL holder, and a background check for all purchases avoid liability suits from accidents and unlawful use of BP guns. And incurring the wrath of the current administration which is very anti First and Second Amendment.
Probably saves them a ton of money on liability insurance costs. Also, keeps them from having to be up to date hourly on the myriad of gun laws in the less free enclaves that so many people like to live in.

 

[Archer 756]

Call the state police here in NY that is one option ore are local Scherff good luck Also I would try ATF that is whom I delt with when I was a dealer.

 

[Celticstoneman]

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[Musketeer]

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Lines from the old '80s movie Red Dawn. Specifically, these were radio codes used by people in the still-free parts of America to communicate with Americans trapped in areas of the country occupied by the Soviets and their allies.