Need assistance in identifying new rifle

[bigt1047]

I recently picked up new to me rifle. Do not know anything about it other than what I could see myself. It appears to be a .45 caliber, rifled unknown twist. It has cheek pads on both sides, silver inlays, metal fore-stock, a push-pull trigger, on the lock the word "Remington" along with engraving. The barrel is octagon, 1" in diameter, machined smooth at the muzzle. On top of the barrel behind the rear sight and before the breech are the only other words/marking which are "T. Waters" and the phrase "Recut by J. Allen Kalamazoo, Mich. WARRANTED". Here are some pictures of the rifle.

 

[nwtradegun]

first the muzzle is turned down to have a false muzzle to load it. looks like a target rifle late 18800s or early 1900s

 

[nwtradegun]

as I look closer I see it has a strange trigger deffinatly a slug or heavy target rifle.

 

[rmark]

Muzzle is turned for a guide bullet starter (no holes for the pins on a false muzzle). A hunting/target rifle, the stock style is from the northeast US. It may have a faster twist for a picket bullet.
H.V. Perry rifles have a similar stock style I think.

 

[nit wit]

May have been re-cut for round ball.
NW

 

[galamb]

first the muzzle is turned down to have a false muzzle to load it. looks like a target rifle late 18800s or early 1900s

Agree. It looks very close to many "target rifles" that were being built in Western Canada (Western Ontario back in those days) in the 1860's through 1880's.

Kalamazoo being "not that far away" might suggest that the entire region was influenced by the "style of the day".

This is an early 1860's rifle built by a gunsmith named Soper in London Ontario (about 2 hours east of Detroit) - it looks "somewhat similar".

 

[bigt1047]

Thank you fellas. Appreciate your answers.

 

[Pete44ru]

Back action lock, DST triggers - I like it !

 

[Pete44ru]

FWIW, the "recut by" (etc) was used in the post-Civil War era (1860-85, +/-), as the soft barrel steels of that time soon lost their accuracy from shooting & cleaning wear.

It's definitely a Sporting Rifle, not a Target Rifle - as target rifles weren't usually fitted with a RR or RR thimbles.

As noted above, the turned muzzle w/o locating holes for a false muzzle was once fitted with a guide bullet starter, similar to the ones below (it seems there were as many different starters as there were men making them).

 

[Cowboy]

That sure is a very sharp looking rifle!

Seems to be in very good shape and very clean as well!

Thanks for sharing your pics of your rifle. If you find out more about it, please share!

Respectfully, Cowboy :thumbsup:

 

[hanshi]

FWIW, the "recut by" (etc) was used in the post-Civil War era (1860-85, +/-), as the soft barrel steels of that time soon lost their accuracy from shooting & cleaning wear.

It's definitely a Sporting Rifle, not a Target Rifle - as target rifles weren't usually fitted with a RR or RR thimbles.

As noted above, the turned muzzle w/o locating holes for a false muzzle was once fitted with a guide bullet starter, similar to the ones below (it seems there were as many different starters as there were men making them).

Those are my thoughts as well.