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I used a pot about 5 gal. size and put a tall kitchen trash bag 3/4 full of comb into the pot to boil. I think I put to much into it at one time because the comb and wax are still pretty much together after boiling. There are pockets of wax here and there but for the most part the comb and wax are still together. Most of the comb was dirty. Is this normal or did I do it wrong and where do I go from here? Thought I would scrape off what wax I can and then re-boil using smaller amout of the comb the next time. Any suggestions? Thanks.
 
Did you add water before boiling? How long did you boil it? It is not clear from your description....
 
Not that used to the combs, but did the wax and comb float during boiling and cooling? Maybe, boil hard and use some sort of screen to hold the comb down, then let the wax float to the top upon cooling (?). Dirt may settle to the bottom some.
 
Yes sir I did add water and boiled it for quit some time. 3-4 hours maybe? I scraped off what I could and then remelted it. Skimmed some then tried straining but seemed about as much stuck to the tee shirt as went into the pan. Maybe I didn't do everything right but it was a learning trip. Not sure if trying to catch a sperm whale and rendering it wouldn't be easier! Thanks for everyones help and will let you know if I catch one of those whales this summer in the New River.
 
I wouldn't bother straining just yet. Repeat the boil/cool/scrape sequence several times and you will eventually be rewarded. Make sure to replace the water each time.

P.S. Once melted, I simmer the wax rather than boil.....
 
YOu may need to run a sharp knife over the comb to cut open the cells for the wax to run out. The bees seal the cells to store the wax as food. Bee keepers cut a slice off the combs as they are extracted to get the honey out. Normally, that would be all that is necessary for the wax to come out when boiled. Do not hesitate to simply crush and break up the comb before heating it.

By all means, use a double boiler arrangement. This can consist of a pan in another pan of water. I use a deep fry pan with an inch of water, and just put another pan inside it to be heated to melt the wax. You can heat the comb several times, and pour the rendered wax off into a container to cool, while you extract more wax. The wax will separate some, with the bits of debris floating to the top.

A double boiler protects you from having a flash-up fire that might occur if the wax gets too hot. Water boils at 212 degrees, I am sure you already know, but it also doesn't want to get much hotter than that, so it actually acts as a " coolant " when temperatures of the fire want to take the frying pan above that temperature.

There will be time enough to strain the crud out of the wax once its melted out of the comb. If you have a coffee pot, the filter paper used for coffee grounds can be used to filter the hot wax, too. Just use a couple of filters to over over any hole that might be in the filters to accomodate some kind of pots, like those I have for my perculator. You can put the filters( or paper toweling) or any kind of cloth, including several layers of cheese cloth, in a strainer, to hold the filters firmly, ( so you don't get burned) and pour the hot wax through it that way.

I don't recall ever having to do more than two filterings of the wax to get all the crud out, but don't hesitate to do it again, if you find any junk floating in the wax. The hard part is separating the wax from the comb. The easy part is straining it through filters. When I first did this as a kid with my father, we poured the results in to an aluminum pot pie tin for a mold. I have seen people use muffin tins for casting wax bricks, and have seen them sold in this configuration. If you put one of those non-stick sprays into the pans, its helps in getting the wax out of the molds. I have not used it, but I would also suppose that using any kind of oil or shortening would work equally as well as a release agent.
 
paulvallandigham said:
YOu may need to run a sharp knife over the comb to cut open the cells for the wax to run out. The bees seal the cells to store the wax as food.

This doesn't really make sense to me. Why would you need to cut open the cells for the wax to run out? The combs and the cap ARE wax. Also, bees DO NOT use the wax itself as food, only the honey that is contained within the wax comb.
 
After reading the last few suggestions I guess I should have scraped and boiled it a couple more times. I did get some good crude free wax just thought there would be more than what I ended up with. Anyway I thank everyone for their help and if doing this again I will have your thoughts to go on. Still might try to catch that whale though!
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If you are melting a large amount of wax you can build a solar melter. Safer than dealing with boiling water and wax.
Some plans are here: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/AA157
Of course, that may be a lot of effort unless you have large amounts of wax to melt.

Did I understand that you are filtering with a t-shirt? Try some old window screen instead. Aluminum is better than nylon.
 
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