New Jersey muzzeloading

[pfmasin]

Can anyone tell me why I can't buy a flintlock or percussion cap muzzleloading rifle or pistol in New Jersey? I can buy a .44 magnum if I want. I can buy a modern rifle or shotgun. Hey, I can go buy an M1 Garrand! Why oh why can't I get a 1750 Kentucky longrifle?????

 

[bob1961]

cause yer in N.J. :surrender: that's why i moved to PA....N.J. stinks :shake: :v ...........bob

 

[bigbore442001]

Drive across the state to Pennsylvania and shop around. I really don't see a problem with that. Unless there is some sort of paperwork on muzzleloaders in NJ.

 

[dallas10c]

In PA you have to fill out the state paperwork to buy a regular rifle but not a muzzleloader! Seems kinda crazy to me becasue you are just as dead if shot by either one! :shake:

 

[dallas10c]

And I agree about moving out of NJ...born and raised there and I always thought they had some really stupid laws. The only good thing about my ex-wife is that she got me outta that state!

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

You can by any ML rifle that you want to as long as you have a Nj Firearms Identification Card with your current address that matches your NJ drivers license. Flint or cap they both require a "certificate of elidgability", a one peice form to be filled out at the store.

So what's the problem?

Dave

 

[pfmasin]

The problem is that no stores anywhere near me sell them and no mail order place will send anything to New Jersey. I know they are not illegal to own and can be used for hunting. It's just trying to find someone who sells them and sells powder.

 

[bpbrs]

In PA you have to fill out the state paperwork to buy a regular rifle but not a muzzleloader! Seems kinda crazy to me becasue you are just as dead if shot by either one! :shake:

:nono:

Don't push your luck asking why their ain't another law....a ML is considered an antique firearm by the ATF and requires no NICS check.

The paperwork you fill out to purchase a firearm is a 4473 form, from the ATF...the NICS check is done by the FBI if your state does not do instant background checks.

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

You can mail-order anything you want that is leagl to own in NJ by simply having it shipped to your favorite Mom & Pop gun dealer that has an FFL. This person does the NICS check and charges a small transfer fee. It's done all of the time...money talks and BS walks, problem solved!

Dave

 

[jbg]

I have heard that in the New Jersey anything .60 cal. or over is considered a cannon and subject to different restrictions. Does anyone know if that is true?
Most of the guys I reenact with avoid Jersey like the plague, due to fears of arrest for not having a NJ Firearms Identification Card. They are, of course, not residents of NJ, and as such ineligble for the card.

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

This is not true and stems from the attempt at trying to outlaw .50 cal BMG guns of both the bolt and semi-auto versions. At that time, a 20 ga. shotgun (62 cal.) would have been illegal to own IF the law went through! IT DIED due to all of the gun owners getting on the phone and web to make it "Go Away"

Now, maybe you don't know this, but just as much revolution happened in NJ as in NY, maybe even MORE! Thousands of re-enactors gather each year here in NJ to go to some of the best re-enactments on the east coast. The History Channel did a special on the Battle of Monmouth. 1976 was the bicentennial re-enactment. There is a museum on the battlefield site located in a state park building. It has mortars, long guns, round balls, cannisters, etc. on display.

You do not need a State of NJ Firearms I.D. card to transport firearms into NJ! Take a look at my Club's website:[url] www.obrpc.org[/url] and you'll see a link to the NJ firearms laws...yes there are a lot of them and some of them can be misconstrued to mean things that they're not intended to mean by people that aren't Philadelphia Lawyers. The Old Bridge Club has shooters from Viginia, PA, Delaware, MD, NY, Conn, etc. bring handguns (modern) in for various shoots all of the time. Just do it the right way, and keep the gun separate from the ammo, and basically your good to go!

Any further questions, give me a PM!

Sincerely,

Dave

 

[2172]

As a Jerseyman born and raised, I agree that the Revolution started in Mass, but was fought in NJ. With that said, about 15 years ago, I figured out that Jersey had left me, so I left it...as it contends for the title, "Most Corrupt" it is also closing in on "Least Livable"...and it breaks my heart to have said both of those things..Hank

 

[Snakebite]

And I agree about moving out of NJ...born and raised there and I always thought they had some really stupid laws. The only good thing about my ex-wife is that she got me outta that state!

I thought you were going to say she was still there! :rotf:

 

[KampKool]

The problem is that no stores anywhere near me sell them and no mail order place will send anything to New Jersey. I know they are not illegal to own and can be used for hunting. It's just trying to find someone who sells them and sells powder.

Harry's Army & Navy has (3) sections of their used guns full of ML...I think Ray's Sporting Goods would be good too...that covers the north and center of NJ...

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

And Bob's Little Sport Shop in Glassboro has them too!

New Jersey is only 173 miles long...it's not Texas, where you can drive for a whole day just to get somewhere, sometimes two days!

Dave

 

[DutchmanDick]

Okay, what if you're an out-of-state resident, and you plan to travel TO N.J. with a muzzle-loading long gun (pistols of ANY kind are restricted in N.J. - that much I know already)?

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

I'm very happy to say that you are not correct with regards to muzzleloading in NJ! I belong to three shooting clubs that have black powder leagues or their only gig is black powder. Shooters from several surrounding states come and have fun competing in our sport.

Although our gun laws are draconian, there are exemptions for almost every legitimate shooting sport or competition. It's the little-known exemptions that provide us with a vast array of shooting possibilities! From AR-15's to black powder muzzleloading, it's all here, alive and well!

If you're planing on coming to NJ to shoot, give me an email and we'll fill you in on all the fun you're missing! Check-out one of my club newsletters via the web site: www.oldbridgerifle.com . The calendar, newsletter and links to some of the wildest action disciplines on the east coast!

Dave

 

[DutchmanDick]

I'm very happy to say that you are not correct with regards to muzzleloading in NJ! I belong to three shooting clubs that have black powder leagues or their only gig is black powder. Shooters from several surrounding states come and have fun competing in our sport.

Although our gun laws are draconian, there are exemptions for almost every legitimate shooting sport or competition. It's the little-known exemptions that provide us with a vast array of shooting possibilities! From AR-15's to black powder muzzleloading, it's all here, alive and well!

If you're planing on coming to NJ to shoot, give me an email and we'll fill you in on all the fun you're missing! Check-out one of my club newsletters via the web site: www.oldbridgerifle.com . The calendar, newsletter and links to some of the wildest action disciplines on the east coast!

Dave

I don't know for certain how, if at all, the laws have changed in Jersey since the late 1980's, but I used to be in a RevWar re-enactment group based at Olde Fort Mifflin in Philadelphia back then (my dad was stationed at Philadelphia Naval Base), and I was told that while I could bring my long rifle to re-enactments in NJ, I could NOT bring my pistol because of NJ laws. I was 17-18 years old at the time, but I don't know if age was a factor.

I'm just wondering what exactly the laws are concerning bringing blackpowder guns into NJ if you're from out-of state?

 

[varsity07840]

The problem is that no stores anywhere near me sell them and no mail order place will send anything to New Jersey. I know they are not illegal to own and can be used for hunting. It's just trying to find someone who sells them and sells powder.

Harry's Army & Navy has (3) sections of their used guns full of ML...I think Ray's Sporting Goods would be good too...that covers the north and center of NJ.

Ray's is out of business, I believe. Effinger's in Bound Brook may be a source. BUT, the main reason you can't find a flintlock or traditional
percussion gun for sale in NJ is because there's no demand for them. Go to a public range in NJ(yes, we do have them) before the season opens and count the inlines vs. traditionals. 99% inline. If I shoot at the Clinton range, I'm usually the only one.

Duane

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

I'm very happy to say that you are not correct with regards to muzzleloading in NJ! I belong to three shooting clubs that have black powder leagues or their only gig is black powder. Shooters from several surrounding states come and have fun competing in our sport.

Although our gun laws are draconian, there are exemptions for almost every legitimate shooting sport or competition. It's the little-known exemptions that provide us with a vast array of shooting possibilities! From AR-15's to black powder muzzleloading, it's all here, alive and well!

If you're planing on coming to NJ to shoot, give me an email and we'll fill you in on all the fun you're missing! Check-out one of my club newsletters via the web site: www.oldbridgerifle.com . The calendar, newsletter and links to some of the wildest action disciplines on the east coast!

Dave

I don't know for certain how, if at all, the laws have changed in Jersey since the late 1980's, but I used to be in a RevWar re-enactment group based at Olde Fort Mifflin in Philadelphia back then (my dad was stationed at Philadelphia Naval Base), and I was told that while I could bring my long rifle to re-enactments in NJ, I could NOT bring my pistol because of NJ laws. I was 17-18 years old at the time, but I don't know if age was a factor.

I'm just wondering what exactly the laws are concerning bringing blackpowder guns into NJ if you're from out-of state?

Age for a Hand Gun (and yes NJ considers anything that shoots, even a CO2 BB-gun, to be a Hand Gun) is 21 or over.

Black Powder anything is considered a weapon in NJ. Therefore it goes in the trunk of a car, or in the case of a pick-up, in some kind of separate, locked container. If you have a hunting permit in the state in which you live, you can transport black powder firearms to matches in NJ, which is considered a "valid purpose". Or if you have a hunting license issued to you from NJ, you're allowed to transport firearms into NJ. Or if you're going to a registered match (advertised in the club's newsletter) you may transport into NJ.

All of the above are just the tip of the iceberg of the examples. Check-out the actual laws by going to our State Association web site: www.anjrpc.org .

In short, if you're not a felon, a mental nut case or disabled in some great way that would make you unsafe in handling firearms (don't have hands), you would qualify for firearms ownership in NJ. IF you aren't qualified (restraining order on you cause you beat-up the mrs.) then don't transport firearms into NJ. CHECK THE ACTUAL LAWS YOURSELF but don't be too afraid of the lawyer-speak.........after-all we're not talking about black rifles and 30 round magazines!

I hope that I've put some perspective on this issue.

Dave
NRA Life Member
NRA Certified Instructor
Active in USPSA, IDPA, Sporting Clays, and Black Powder (gotta go clean the rifle & revolver from yesterday)!